“Did all those Rishonim go to university too?”
Totally irrelevant. I’ve *never* said everyone should attend university. You’ve tried to prove university is asur. I’ve disproved that.
If anyone wants to have a discussion about who should attend university, and when, I’m perfectly willing to engage in such a conversation. But I won’t have it with someone who doesn’t accept that it is mutar to do so — there is no point. I’d prefer those folks explain how we are supposed to have physicians, attorneys, and engineers within our communities if secular education is asur. Neither Chazal nor Rambam would have imagined such.
“We do not believe that it Chazal’s ‘science’ requires us to understand greek anything.”
If you understand Chazal’s science you understand Greek science.
Are you familiar with the discussion in Shabat 61 about the efficacy of an amulet? Why did Chazal reject a biblical methodology found in the first chapter of Daniel?
” I’m pretty sure that is part of the point of Chanuka.”
If you actually understand what was going on in Shabat 61, you will understand that is not the case.
“This is called the accident fallacy:
Rabbi Lichtenstein and Rabbi Schachter attended YU
Rabbi Lichtenstein and Rabbi Schachter are gedolim
The YU model clearly produces gedolim.”
Actually it isn’t a fallacy, it is a proof.
And there are some younger rabbis at YU who will likely be considered gedolim in about 20 years.
“I’ve never heard of Rabbi Lichtenstein or Rabbi Tendler.”
I’m sorry you haven’t heard of two of the greatest living rabbis in the world. Their writings and shiurim are easily accessible and I recommend them both.
‘Anyways, charlie is a proud congregant there, and spreads those hashkofos here. That is a point worth “pointing out”. ‘
I’m a member of his synagogue and don’t hide it but I have a different rabbi for shilahs. And as I’ve said, all that is irrelevant to this discussion. I know I’ve won the argument when people start directing *ad hominem* attacks towards me.
“But how many Rav Elyashiv’s and Rav Chaim’s came out? “
YU didn’t exist when Rav Chaim or Rav Elyashiv were the age they would have considered attending YU. But in any case Rav Lichtenstein may well be comparable to Rav Elyashiv despite being decades younger.