What does have relevance to this thread, btw, and what makes the other things irrelevant – and how did you get to judge relevance to the thread and decide all the things you’ve posted are relevant? You seem to keep repeating that line when things are cited that don’t fit the line of thought that you’re pursuing.
The only thing that I said was irrelevant in this thread was the quote from R’ Wolbe. I don’t claim to be the Supreme Arbiter of relevance. But if the topic under discussion is whether women can/can’t/should/shouldn’t learn Gemara, then other things are irrelevant. I don’t necessarily mind if someone wants to have a discussion other than the one at hand; I am simply noting that it is a different discussion.
Rav Volbe was simply addressing the mistaken concerns some wives expressed that their husband wasn’t far more knowledgeable than themselves on Torah matters. I think this point has been beaten to death here already. Rav Volbe made a point, v’zeh hu. His point wouldn’t have been cited and recorded in the kuntres if it weren’t relevant then and relevant now to the intended audience.
I never said his point wasn’t relevant. I said that it’s not relevant to this particular discussion. My other point was that R’ Wolbe didn’t say any chiddush. If the woman had confronted her husband directly, he could have told her that in yeshiva they don’t learn the same things as in seminary, so she might know more than him about something that she learned and he didn’t. That’s not a chiddush, it’s not controversial, and it has nothing to do with women learning Gemara.
We’ll have to agree to disagree on the other points. I think we’re (both of us) at the stage of repetition with them.
What aspect of what I said do you disagree with?
As far as the Tur, the Sefer Hachasidim, the Aruch Hashulchan and the Torah Temimah, I thought they are at least as relevant to the discussion as the items you’ve cited such from MiPninei HaRav, R. Rakeffet, the Riaz, etc. And to that I was wondering your input to what I brought from them.
The relevance of the quotes that I brought is that they demonstrate that there is Rabbinic support to rely on for women to learn Gemara. Bringing sources that are against women learning Gemara just means that there are sources against it. No one ever suggested otherwise. Additionally, the primary argument advanced by those in favor of women’s Gemara is that the metzius is not the same as it was in the past. Thus, sources against women’s Gemara from the past, do not necessarily prove anything about the present. (Again, this is not to say that there aren’t modern day sources against it as well; it is to say that one can claim that the earlier sources would agree that nowadays it’s different.