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rabbiofberlin wrote:

“I don’t see how you can say that they are against the medinah. That is ludicrous. The arguments you espouse have long been resolved, with the Holocaust and the establishment of the medinah. It may have historical curiosity, not reality.”

I respect your choice to be fooled by Zionism, R”L L”A. But please don’t spread lies.

As Rabbi Reisman wrote a short number of years ago, nothing has changed regarding the 3 Oaths (despite the terribly unfortunate fact that the Zionists achieved their dream of creating a State of Israel in order to shmad) and that and other (major) problems with Zionism as per the gedolim. The only change that did occur is what practical actions are demanded by this new “fact on the ground”. This could include, depending on your shita, voting in Zionist elections, for example. But the “opposition” to the state remains unchanged.

Zionism is the same idolatry and heresy that it always was. The very nature of the State of Israel is Zionist, which means that its reason for existence is to “normalize” the Jewish people and change them from the am haNivchar based on Torah to just another gentile nation based on a nation-state in Eretz Yisrael.