ubiquitin:
You missed my point with “Is that true? There was no har habayis excuse in the 50’s yet fedayeen attacks became a routine occurance.” Terrosim was more prevelant then than today. Ditto for the hijackings in the 70’s, first intifada, second. NOne of these (with the possible exception of the second intifada) can in any way be blamed on har habayis. There isnt even an uptick in violence that can be linked to har ahbayis.
Again, nobody is arguing that conflict over HHB is the sole reason for Arab-Israeli tensions. Of course there are (and always have been) many different factors contributing to this mess. But none of that means that HHB isn’t one of those factors. And we have explained ad nauseam, there is every reason to believe that it is.
Btw, I’m not sure why you don’t think the current spate of attacks isn’t “an uptick in violence that can be linked to har ahbayis”.
I was arguing a different albeit related point. Namely if smacking a thug who routinely kills poeple wether they smack him or not can be considered to have incited his killing when smacked.
i’m not saying it is a good idea to smack him.
Then we do not disagree on too much.
Did Hershel Grynszpan cause kristalnacht?
“Cause” is too simplistic a term. Events have many contributing factors, and some have more influence than others. The Nazis and their collaborators are the ones responsible for kristalnacht. But Hershel Grynszpan was the spark that set it off, so yes, he was a part of the cause. A small part, to be sure, but still a part nonetheless.
Moshol, li’mah ha’davar domeh – if a small spark causes a barrel of gas to explode, who caused the explosion, the gas or the spark?
This is not (or at least, should not be) a black and white subject. There is a grey area between complete responsibility and no influence whatsoever.
Avi K:
Lishitascha, I still don’t get why you aren’t waging a one man war to reclaim every inch of EY.