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tirtza
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Guantanamo is not the same thing, those are prisoners of war, that may be what Israel should do with PA “prisoners-of -war” terror suspects, no trial by judges, only a military tribunal.

No, these are Israeli citizens and many are minors at that.

I do not, for one minute, believe the AG or ISA that it was “only” sleep deprivation, nevertheless, I feel compelled to say that the torture was “alleged”, because there needs to be proof.

Yet, you post that they were subjected to these unusual interrogation techniques because of the nature of the crime, yet they had no evidence of the crime, and really had to rely on a forced confession to get “evidence.”

I’m sorry, but what it boils down to is whether one wants to take the word of the AG’s office and ISA(a secret police organization, whose actions are only under the scrutiny of an office from the good-ole-boys system), or an independent( from the government) legal rights organization,Honenu, which specialises in Israeli citizens living in the shtachim.

You, along with Ministers Bennett and Shaked, the PM, and Likud, unquestionably trust the establishment organizations, Me and Rabbi Aryeh Stern, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, want those organizations claims of non-torture to be examined.

Rabbi Stern was the only official, that I saw reports, that demanded an independent investigation.

That was much to his credit, I believe.

I think all Jews should call out for the ISA to be investigated.

I know that the next time I hear that an Arab terror suspect “confessed” after ISA interrogates him/her, I’ll have my doubts how the “confession” was obtained.

Besides, as I mentioned above, these things, when they involve the PA terrorists, should be handled by the military.

To put interrogation of teens by police or others in perspective, let me tell you about a story my husband related to me.

Right now there is a lawsuit against the Worchester,MA Police Dept. for an interrogation and false confession they extracted from a 16 year old teen, who was convicted, falsely after a “confession” that she “murdered” her baby.

The young girl was interrogated (I assume without some of the horrors allegedly attributed to the Shabak) by police, without an attorney or her mother present (ILLEGAL), and, under those conditions, she “confessed.” The medical examiner’s report which the police did not even refer to, showed that the baby was sick and likely died of causes relating to that. However, these police, like the Shabak, were gunning for a conviction and they got one. The young girl spent 3 years in juvenille detention before having the conviction overturned and, now, the police dept. is being sued. In true Israeli chutzpah fashion, the police dept. is suing the lawyer for not suing them sooner. Worchester is one of the largest cities in MA, not some hick town.

So, I guess, even in the US, there are illegal interrogation methods but, at least, eventually, they are recognized, and the citizens recieve their just due process. Wiil these “hilltop youth” ever receive their just due process. Sorry to say, no, not if normally good people bury their heads in the sand.

Still we can all pray for their recovery and for justice to be done.

We all belive that, in the end, Justice, will be done.