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January 20, 2016 6:43 am at 6:43 am #1134256
Avi K
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Sheker, neither was ordained. In Pirkei Avot (4:20, the former is mentioned without a title. The latter was either an ordinary mamzer (Sanhedrin 67a – uncensored version) or talmid (ibid 107b) who went OTD. Maybe both. Some historians believe that Yushki was a composite (note that Ben Pandera’s mother was Mary Magdalen[ashaya]).