Reply To: Making bread in fleishig pan

uneeq: That gemara is the case discussed by the mechaber in 97, and it is precisely my case. In my case I think it is assur even if there is shishim, because it is not batul in the bread, because it is a “tzli” contact once it is baking, and therefore only goes in a ??? ?????. Therefore, we would need to have shishim against the grease just in the ??? ?????.

However, I assume the gemara is only talking about where there is not ????. The reason is, that in the gemara’s time, they were ?????? ??? ???? ????, and since the grease is shamen, it does go into the whole bread and would be batel b’shishim.

I thought you were saying that it would be assur to even put less than a 60th of milk or meat into the recipe, which would certainly be ??? ?????. I don’t know why you think that. It is not a case of ???? ????? ???????, since there is no issur.

There is a case discussed of where you mix a small amount of milk into water and your intention is to mix it with meat, and that is discussed whether it is bitul issur lechatchila. The rema in 99:6 says that if milk falls into water and is batul b’shishim, you can mix it with meat. The shach 22 says you are allowed to even do it l’chatchila. The pri megadim says that the shach means you can l’chatchila mix the water into the meat once it falls, but you cannot mix the milk into the water with intent to then put it in the meat.

But our case (of mixing less than a 60th of milk into dough) is different, since our intention is not to eat it with the other min. I see no reason to assume that the issur applies to that case.

In fact, I will bring a proof that it does not, since the issur of fleishig and milchig bread only applies where the issur to eat it with the other min would be even b’dieved–as we see from the fact that you are allowed to bake bread in fleishig keilim which are even ben yomo. (I will point out here a kasha. How come we allow that, since the shach seems like he is machmir like the maharshal that nat bat nat is assur b’tzli even b’dieved, in shach 95:4. I wonder if maharshal himself goes so far as to assur to make bread in a milchig or fleishig kli. I don’t have access to an ????? ????? of the Maharshal right now.)