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Hakatan-

“Had the Zionists never invaded E”Y, meaning over a century ago (not just in 1948), there would have been no need for an IDF (and there would have not been the Chevron Massacre in the 1920s, et al.), which is what the holy Chazon Ish told the first Zionist Prime Minister, as I mentioned above.

Now that the reality is that the Zionists have invaded E”Y and clearly are powerless to protect their citizens as, unfortunately, is quite evident from not only recent news reports but going all the way back to 1948 and before, it seems we need a miracle to resolve this. But davening for the Zionists is still 1000% wrong; we daven that Hashem should keep all Jews safe and sound, however HE chooses to do so.”

Please go tell that to my dear grandparents who suffered through the Holocaust, watched their parents get shot in front of their face, watch their siblings burn up into flames and have everything striped away from them.

Go tell my Zaide that “invading E’Y” was the wrong thing to do, because he frankly had no where else to go. Go tell him that “there is no need for an IDF”, or people with guns to protect people living their daily lives, LEARNING TORAH, living TORAH. Because guess what Hakatan, if HE had a choice in 1939, he would have run straight behind the IDF in his beloved E’Y for protection. But he didn’t have that choice. Today we have that choice- like it or hate it with every ounce of you.

If you are going to slander zionism again in your next post, please just refrain from writing. I don’t care what your stances are, I care that you are caring, but you aren’t. You come from such a close minded place that I can be positive it didn’t even occur to you to think about how offensive the way your talking is.

MY bubby and zadie didn’t survive to see people like YOU exist. And my zadie is the most upright Jew you have ever met. His emunah is 30000000x greater than ALL of us put together. He walks around daily with a smile on his face, teaching others to have faith in Hashem, he has spoken to thousands of CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS and of course jews. Why? Because their differences DO NOT MATTER. He wants to spread LOVE. LOVE. LOVE.

You want to spread angst against a FELLOW JEW. How DARE you? Were 6 million precious beloved Jewish deaths not enough for you? I don’t feel your love towards me, that you “claim”. I feel uncomfortable and if we were talking face to face I would literaly be staring at you in shock. And its very possible my hashkafa totally matches yours. Its possible I believe the Jewish state is avoda zara too. But it’s totally ireelevant, because the way your talking trumps all. Your words are hateful, and if you don’t see it that way, I AM TELLING YOU THEY R HURTFUL. You pick from every rabbi the way they slander other Jews. Start looking at the positives man. Start seeing the beauty in other people, and learn from everyone. Other rabbis have amazing things to say and can be gedolim too, just because they are not your hashkafa.