yekke2: No one claims that the state is Frum. Some will say that that does not make them “irreligious”. They are certainly not Shomrei Torah, for the most part. There certainly is a “Hatzala Purta”, which one has to willfully blind himself not to see. The point of contention, in my opinion, is whether that modicum of religiosity by many of the state’s leaders and institutions (some more than others) is a good thing, completely irrelevant, or a bad thing. (I more or less hear all three, though I’m not such a fan of those who say it’s bad because people might think that being slightly religious but not completely Frum is okay. In my opinion, those who want to be Frum and can do it will, and Halevai everyone else comes as close as possible or as close as we can get them.)
