Reply To: Is anti-Zionism the sin of the spies?

NeutiquamErro, the state is the political entity that encompasses a territory. The

bureaucracy the group of people who administer it. There is also civil society and there is much to admire in Israeli civil society. It is also assur to speak ill of the state as that, as I have explained on another thread, is an entity independent of this or that government or even this or that constitution. As for the borders ofthe Land, that is a matter of great discussion. In Chazal’s time the northern border was Akko (Mishna, Gittin 1:1). Similarly, In Shaul’s time Gat was considered Chutz laAretz as it was under the rule of the Plishtim (Shmuel Alef 26:19).

HaKatan,

1.Rav Kook explained that sometimes Hashem uses sinners to carry out His work.

2. Rambam did not codify them in Mishna Torah. I have explained many times why even if they once were in force they no longer are.

3. The Chashmonaim were much worse yet Rambam at the beginning of Hilchot Chanuka says that we still celebrate their establishment of an independent state.

Joseph, those are not Jewish governments. In any case, one can criticize the government without criticizing the state. You and your twin are ingrates towards Hashem just as were the spies.

29, Hashem wanted us to give it up as He knew that that is not healthy on a permanent basis. Not individually and not nationally.