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Lilmod Ulelamaid
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JF2- Chalilah, no one said that their Mitzvos are worth nothing!!! I am the first person to say that every Mitzvah that every Jew does is worth an unbelievable unimaginable amount!!!!

All I said is that the Mitzvos of having the basic beliefs that every Jew is required to have are a thousand times more important!!! Therefore, it’s a thousand times more important to keep those Mitzvos, and it’s better to be a Jew who keeps the Mitzvos of having the right Emuna but doesn’t keep the practical Mitzvos than to be a Jew who keeps practical Mitzvos but doesn’t have the right Emunah.

Therefore, it is better to be a Chiloni Jew or an OTD Jew and “not keep anything” but have the right Emuna than to be a conservative or reform Jew.

The reason for that is that the Chiloni and OTD Jew mentioned above are keeping some Mitzvos – they are keeping the Mitzvos of not denying that Torah is M’Sinai and not denying that every Mitzvah is from Hashem. And those are the most important Mitzvos!!!!!

qualification: there may be people who call themselves conservative or reform but don’t have conservative or reform beliefs. In that case, they are not c or r and I am not referring to them necessarily. At the same time, the fact that they identify with C or R may still put them in that category to some extent.

Qualification 2: I am not judging the C and R people for being C or R. They are Tinok shenishba who are trying to do the best they can, but were unfortunately led astray by those who started the c and r movements. But the fact still remains that they are apikorsum al pi halacha, inadvertant as it may be (see Igros Moshe where he discusses this).

Qualification 3: There may be Chiloni or OTD Jews who have apikorsish beliefs as well. I was referring to those who don’t. At the same time, at least they don’t belong to a movement that advocates those beliefs. It is much worse to belong to a movement that advocates those beliefs.