Jf2 – It seemed to me that some of the comments on this thread seemed to lend some support to the c and r movements. It may have been inadvertent, but we have to be exceedingly careful about making such comments especially in such a public forum.
Again, we always have to differentiate between the people and the beliefs, as well as between the people and their actions. The people are wonderful and it is great that they are doing what they can, but the movements are seriously problematic and it would be better if they didn’t exist. It would also be better if the people did not belong to these movements although on their part, they obviously don’t realize that, and they are simply trying to do the right thing.