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mw13:

The way I see it there are three categories:

1) understand Rava ?????? and accept it ?????

2) understand Rava not ?????? and accept it ?????

3) don’t accept Rava ?????

(There is really another category which holds ????? ??? ????, but that can technically be consistent with all three categories.)

Within category two there can be huge range regarding how much you have to drink. My original point in this thread was that the vast majority of rishonim/acharonim fall into categories two and three.

I also think that when it comes to anyone who just quoted Rava’s lashon, we can’t know what there exact position is. The most we can know is that they brought down Rava’s statement ????? so they are not in category three. But we don’t know how they understood Rava’s statement. As far as I know there is not even one rishon who accepts Rava ????? and explicitly states that it’s ??????.

Regarding the position of R’ Yosef Karo:

I don’t think youare remembering correctly. In the Beit Yosef he quotes three positions – Tosafos (which I would put in category two), Rabbeinu Ephraim, and the Orchos Chaim (that there is no greater aveira than drunkenness). The only one of these which the Shulchan Aruch excludes is the second one. In other words, all we see from the Shulchan Aruch is that he accepts Rava’s statement as halacha, but there is no reason to assume that he doesn’t understand it like Tosafos or the Orchos Chaim.

The Aruch Hashulchan’s whole kashya is that if R’ Karo holds like the Orchos Chaim, ??? ??? ????? ??”? ????? ??”? ?????? ???? ????? ?????

I answered this question above by pointing out that R’ Karo took it for granted that you wouldn’t pasken just from reading the Shulchan Aruch without going through the sugya or at least reading the Beit Yosef.