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I think that diyuk is weak at best.
At any rate the example Joseph gave with R’ Akiva certainly involves a misha meshuneh
I agree that those examples were poor examples for the reason you mention,
but at the same time then, this whole discussion is a poor discussion. Since why not hope when that time comes to die al kiddush Hashem they leave you alone and you can go on living. Afilu cherev munach al tzavarecha you still hope for salvation you dont say great time for kiddush Hashem.
It is hard to imagine the scenario where the person is dieing anyway and people come to kill him al kiddush Hashem i guess in that limited instance Joseph would make sense ( though hed still be wrong as seen if not for my examples from davening)

Bottom line, do you agree with Joseph?