Syag, I will note that you still haven’t answered the actual question. But hey, it’s a free country – if you don’t want to answer the question, nobody’s gonna force you to.
The funny thing is that I don’t even have a dog in this fight – I didn’t suggest who I agree or disagree with. Actually, I think the whole thread is kinda silly – it’s mostly just people reiterating black and white cases where the answer is obvious, mixed with a couple of emotionally charged accusations about what the other side would do in those said black and white cases.
So, I decided to try asking some specific questions about the gray zones, and about where each of the sides would draw their respective lines. I was hoping to push this whole thread into a more calm, rational, and nuanced discussion of the many gray cases, and away from grandstanding and emotionally charged accusations.
Silly me.