Reply To: Pre-Yom Kippur Request from the helige Coffee Room Posters

5. “ “so if someone does hishtadlus that is against Halacha,” The arguments is whether it is against halacha.”
That’s a different argument. There are two things that need to be discussed here. One is whether it helps to do hishtadlus that is against halacha. The other is whether or not this is against halacha.

The logical progression is to first discuss and prove that it doesn’t help to do hishtadlus that is against halacha, and only once that is agreed upon does it make sense to move on to the second point. That is why I started with the first two points and waited to see if someone would say that they agree with the first point, but disagree with the second, and then I was going to proceed to argue the second point.

There were two possible ways in which my post could have been attacked, and I was prepared for either.
One was by arguing with the idea that it doesn’t help to do hishtadlus that is against halacha, and the other was to agree with that point but to say that this type of hishtadlus is not against halacha.

You can take either tactic and I can argue with either one, but you seem to be unsure as to which one you are taking. Your first two points were arguing with my statement that hishtadlus that goes against halacha does not help, but now you are saying that the issue is whether or not it is against halacha. If that is what you think the issue is, then what was the point of your first two arguments?

And if you are going to say that the point of your first two statements was not to argue with the statement that “hishtadlus that goes against halacha does not help” then I don’t know what your point was, since the only point in my post was to prove that fact.

I would be happy to discuss the last point with you (in a separate post), but there is no point in discussing it until you clarify whether or not you agree with the statement that “ hishtadlus that goes against halacha doesn’t help.”