bar kochba, yoshke, and the laws of a possible person u mentioned) is because they were killed.” So you think that the only reason why Yoshke can’t be Moshiach is because he’s dead???? I’m sure you didn’t intend it that way, but watch your words. In general, most of what you wrote here is a true embarrassment to the Rebbe. The Rebbe said about Meshichistim, (certain ones) that they are stabbing him with knives, going against all the Rebbeim until the Baal Shem Tov, and are holding back the Geula from coming. ( This is printed in 5745 if I’m not mistaken. Off hand it might be Simchas Torah or somewhere around there.)
That is not at all what I meant, and I thought it was pretty clear. I did not say the “only” reason. It was in context of moshiach being killed or dying and I said that the examples of people disqualified were disqualified because of being killed and not dying. I did not say, as it is in yoshkes case, that there aren’t other reasons not relevant to the conversation why someone could be disqualified. It was a very specific comment, but I’m glad I could clarify it.
When it comes to being an “embarrassment” to the Rebbe, I’m going to assume that this remark was coming from a good place which was looking out for the Rebbe and I, in which cause I’m going to politely but strongly disagree. And I hope, in keeping to the same theme as ur first comment, that u will be careful with how u phrase things next time(:p).
Regarding ur specific examples, I’ll start off by pointing out that they are 2 different stories. The “knife to the heart” story was in a private audience altho im unsure of the exact year. The second story was indeed during simchas Torah, mem hey. This was directed towards a Sholom Dovber Volpo. U can type in his name in beis moshiach magazine and see what he says there about it. Some points on that story which are conveniently left out is that 1. Some people celebrated after that sicha because the Rebbe did not deny being moshiach only that such talk would scare people away from learning chassidus. One big name amongst them was Reb Yoel. 2. The very next year the Rebbe said that he doesn’t care if people say that the ” nasi hador is THE moshiach because it’s the truth—nasi hador is moshiach hador”. When the editors came into the Rebbes office and asked him if they should leave this part of the sicha out because of what they heard last year during simchas Torah and how sharply the Rebbe spoke, he told them “what did I say[by the fabrengen just now]? I said I don’t care if they take it literally!”. I also have right next to me(and at my disposal) many positive answers. Dozens. One person, on video, told the Rebbe he hopes to see him as moshiach and the Rebbe smiled very big and tried to say it could be someone else. He was asked again and then the Rebbe replied “Nu, we will see what happens then.” Very very different. I have a video of the Rebbe from the early mems(80’s) encouraging a song “chayolei adoneinu” which says the Rebbe is messiah and he encourages it at multiple moments during the song without as much as a complaint. Worth noting that the Rebbe had similar reactions when people asked him to be Rebbe. But who here is taking his negative reactions and trying to say he never become Rebbe? Nobody. He went as far as to say that he “searched his soul” and being a Rebbe is not shayach to him. He said to one person that he would run away if someone asked him again. In fact it’s the Rebbe himself who made the connection. There is a story where someone went by him in dollars and asked if he is moshiach and he said “well didn’t want to be Rebbe”. It’s an understandable humility, which is explained in chassidus about kings. Kings don’t want to rule and the people have to make him want it by bringing it out of his essence. In fact, the same person yelled at in the simchas Torah sicha (sholom Dovber volpo) told the Rebbe to the affect of we “shouldn’t be ashamed of the halacha” that the Rebbe is clearly the messiah. And do U know what the Rebbe wrote back? Was it “I’m not the messiah and I dispute ur idea that the halacha is such?” No. The Rebbe went on about how telling people the halacha isn’t always a good thing. Like telling someone who doesn’t keep shabbos all the gehinnom he is gonna get. Again, no denial. Besides even pretending no positive answers existed, none of these negative stories can deny the clear realities laid out by the Rebbe in the sichas. Among which are:
We are the last generation of exile AND the first of redemption, this can’t be taken away, the Rebbe is the Moshiach hador of that very generation, Rebbe said moshiach was told he was moshiach according to the halacha laid out by the chosom sofer, moshiachs name is menachem mendel, 770 is gematrias beis moshiach, moshiach is here now fighting and winning the wars of beis dovid, moshiach was revealed and told people the redemption was coming in 770 in 1991, moshiach was appointed by g-d and all that’s left is to receive his kingship in a revealed way, moshiach WAS moshiach of the generation but was revealed in full strength.