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@Daas,
“The Gemara actually says โ€œnoach lo lโ€™adam shelo nivraโ€, and misquoting it is a grievous error.”

Well said, Daas!
actually I found someone quoting the Sefer haBris that says pshat in the above machlokes as the following:

ืกืคืจ ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช (ื—”ื‘ ืžืืžืจ ื™”ื‘

ืืฃ ื’ื ืื ื™ืฆื ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืžืคื™ ื—ื›ืžื™ื ืจื‘ื™ื ืžื ื•ื™ื” ื•ื’ืžื•ืจื” ื‘ืกื•ื“ ื—ื›ืžื™ ืชื•ืจื” ื›ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืžืื™ ืขื ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืœืœ ืืœ ืชืืžื™ืŸ ื›ื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ืคืฉื•ื˜ื• ื•ื›ืžืฉืžืขื•, ื›ื’ื•ืŸ ืžื” ืฉืืžืจื• (ื‘ืคืจืง ืงืžื ื“ืขื™ืจื•ื‘ื™ืŸ) ื ื•ื— ืœื• ืœืื“ื ืฉืœื ื ื‘ืจื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉื ื‘ืจื ื•ื–ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืžื ื’ื“ ื•ืกื•ืชืจ ืœืืฉืจ ืžืคื•ืจืกื ื‘ืื•ืžืชื ื• ืžืขื•ืœื ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”’ ื•ืžืงื‘ื™ืœืช ืœื”ืžืกื•ืจืช ื‘ื™ื“ื™ื ื• ื•ืงื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื”ื•ื“ื™ื ืžืจืืฉ ืืžื ื” ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”’ ืœื›ืœ ื•ื—ืกื™ื“ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืขืฉื™ื•, ื•ืื ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื•ืžืจ ืขืœ ื”ื ื‘ืจื ื›ื™ ืœื ื˜ื•ื‘ ืื™ืš ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื•ืžืจ ืขืœ ื”ื‘ื•ืจื ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘, ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ื™ื“ืขื ื• ื‘ื˜ื— ืฉืื™ืŸ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ืŸ ื•ื”ืืžืช ื‘ื”ืคืš ื›ื™ ื ื•ื— ืœื• ืœืื“ื ืฉื ื‘ืจื ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉืœื ื ื‘ืจื ืœืžืขืŸ ื™ืขื‘ื•ื“ ืืช ื”’ ื•ื›ืœ ืืฉืจ ืขืฉื” ืืœื”ื™ื ื”ื•ื ื˜ื•ื‘ ื•ืœื ืจืข, ื•ื“ื‘ืจื™ื”ื ื–”ืœ ืฆืจื™ืš ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ ื›ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ ื”ืชื•ืกืคื•ืช (ืฉื) ืฉื–ื” ืื™ืŸ ื”ื›ื•ื•ื ื” ื‘ื• ืืœื ืœืกืชื ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื ืื‘ืœ ื”ืฆื“ื™ืง ืืฉืจื™ ืœื• ื•ืืฉืจื™ ืœื“ื•ืจื•, ื’ื ืคื™ืจื•ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื™ืฉ ื‘ื–ื” ื’ื ื”ืขืœื ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ื—ื›ืžื” ื•ื‘ืชื‘ื•ื ื” ื’ื ืกื•ื“ ืžืกื•ื“ ืืœื•ื”,

ืจืง ืœื ืœืคืจืฉ ืขืœ ืคื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ื• ื•ื—ืœื™ืœื” ืœืš ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื›ื™ ื”ื—ื›ืžื™ื ื•ืฆื“ื™ืงื™ื ื›ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืžืื™ ื•ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืœืœ ื™ืกื›ื™ืžื• ืขืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืฉื”ื•ื ื ื’ื“ ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ื”ื‘ื•ืจื ื•ืืช ืคื•ืขืœ ื”’ ืœื ื™ื‘ื™ื˜ื• ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืœื”ื ืคืขืœ ื•ืžืขืฉื” ื™ื“ื™ื• ืœื ืจืื• ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ืคื” ืœื”ื ืขืฉื”, ื•ื›ื™ ื”ื ื–”ืœ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื• ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืžื”ื•ืœืœ ื‘ืชืฉื‘ื—ื•ืช ื•ื ื”ื“ืจ ื‘ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ืขืœ ื”ืžืจื›ื‘ื” ืื ื ืืžืจ ื›ื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžืขืฉื” ื”’ ื”ื•ื ืœื˜ื•ื‘ื” ืœื›ืœ ืืฉืจ ืขืฉื” ื•ืœื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ืจื:

ืืžื ื ืืฃ ื”ื ื–”ืœ ื™ื“ืขื• ื›ื™ ืืš ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื’ื‘ืจ ื›ื™ ื™ืฉื ืขื•ืœ ืžืœื›ื•ืช ืฉืžื™ื ื•ื™ืขื‘ื•ื“ ืืช ืืœื”ื™ื ื‘ืืจืฅ ื›ื™ ืื™ืŸ ืžืงื•ื ื‘ื›ืœ ื”ืขื•ืœืžื•ืช ื”ืขืœื™ื•ื ื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ืืช ื”’ ื•ืœืงื™ื™ื ืžืฆื•ืชื™ื• ื•ืชื•ืจื•ืชื™ื• ื›ื™ ืื ื‘ืขื•ืœื ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื ืฉืžื•ืช ืืฉืจ ืžื‘ืจืืฉื™ืช ื‘ืขื•ืœืžื•ืช ื”ืขืœื™ื•ื ื™ื ืืฃ ื›ื™ ืžืชืขื ื’ื™ื ื‘ื ื•ืขื ื”’ ื•ื–ื™ื• ื”ืฉื›ื™ื ื” ื‘ืขื“ืŸ ื”ืขืœื™ื•ืŸ ื‘ื›ืœ ื–ืืช ืžืชืคืœืœื™ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื•ืžืชื—ื ื ื™ื ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืกื ื”ื›ื‘ื•ื“ ืฉื™ืชืŸ ืœื”ื ืจืฉื•ืช ืœื™ืจื“ ืžื˜ื” ืœืืจืฅ ืœืžืขืŸ ื™ื•ื›ืœื• ืขื‘ื•ื“ ืืช ื”’ ื•ืœืงื™ื™ื ืžืฆื•ืชื™ื•, ื•ืื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื–ื” ื ื•ื— ืœื• ืœืื“ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืžืชืคืœืœ ืื‘ืจื”ื ื™ืฆื—ืง ื•ื™ืขืงื‘ ื•ื”ืืžื”ื•ืช ืขืœ ื‘ื ื™ื ื•ื›ืŸ ื›ืœ ืื“ื ืžื™ืฉืจืืœ, ื•ืื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืชื•ืœื“ื” ื˜ื•ื‘ ื•ื™ืคื” ืœื• ืœืื“ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื”ืงื‘”ื” ืžืฆื•ื” ื‘ืชื•ืจืชื• ืžืฆื•ืช ืคืจื• ื•ืจื‘ื• (ื‘ืจืืฉื™ืช ื‘’). ืืคืก ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ื•ื›ืืœื” ืืžืช ืžืฆื“ ื•ืื™ื ื• ืืžืช ืžืฆื“.

ืขื“ ื›ืืŸ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื•
In any case, he says that no way is it to be taken as literal.

Also see Marsha at the end of Mesechet Makos.