BY Maidel
It souinds like you seriously want to learn Gemara. if so, why waste your precious time arguing with people who think that you are off the wall or off the derech? Enough arguing. Go out and learn! Or alternatively, go to the website of the Virtual Bet Midrash where you can get all the shiurim which you want, given by first class talmidei chachamim, under the heading of “Talmud”.
Life is too short to waste your time on pointless arguments.
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