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I think at this point I’m gonna sit back let DY and Syag argue our side. I’m crazy busy with other things. I do advise everyone to check the link I brought above and have someone explain that. Agav, the gemaras and chazals being brought about being a shutif, a person being mechubar, etc. are obviously not being used as chassidim use them, they’re being used like the rambam quoted above, so they’re a pretty dumb raya.
@CS- I think I overestimated your familiarity with the subjects at hand, as even Sechel and others have pointed out. I apologize for taking you to task.