@its time for truth, what lie are you accusing me of? You still haven’t provided a source.
@divri hayamim that’s quite the jump. It’s one thing to say it’s not so common and quite a different thing to say it never happened. It’s quite clear from our history that there were those who were mumarim lehachis. Read the Chumash. I don’t see how these individuals are lehachis, unless you redefine it the way It’ss time for truth has, which essentially makes most avaryonim lehachis, when they are clearly mumarim leteiavon.