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  • #1546746

    chiefshmerel
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    Mike Moskowitz is a typical haredi Orthodox rabbi.

    He wears a black suit and black hat. He sports a thick, curly beard beneath a closely shaved head. He peppers his speech with liturgical Hebrew and Yiddish words. He quotes from Jewish legal texts.

    Moskowitz sometimes closes his eyes when he talks, swaying back and forth and rubbing his fingers together as if he’s engaged in deep Talmud study. He spent years upon years studying at traditional haredi yeshivas. Today he lives in Lakewood, a New Jersey shore town of some 100,000 residents well known for its largely haredi population.

    #1546868

    Joseph
    Participant

    To even dignify those low-life toeivaniks as “LGBT” is disgusting.

    #1546935

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    What about BLT?

    #1546927

    The rationalizations people make just gain a title?
    What is incumbent upon ourselves besides vocally denigrating and protesting, is to excommunicate anyone who is associated in any way with fellas like him

    cf. Ramban on Devarim 27:26
    One who shirks their obligation to uphold Judaism as much as is feasible is “Arur”

    #1546917

    Yankelle
    Participant

    I’m not going to make a self-repressed and insulting comments like Joseph, but I don’t think that this Rabbi would qualify as Orthodox due to his positions.

    #1546915

    Will he have been the first to stab us in the back?
    ( Louis Ginzberg, founder of Reconstructionism,studied in Telz )
    Does that make it any less pernicious?Hardly. A traitor is a traitor

    Rav Aharon Kotler, warned that the greatest threat facing Jewry is not intermarriage or assimilation, but perversion of the Torah,
    (Mishnas Reb Aharon 1:2,3:6).

    #1546912

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known thief?

    #1546911

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    Sounds like a NYC subway tranfer station. “Transfer here for the LGBTQ, stand clear uh da closin doors”!

    #1546900

    First things first
    pressure BMG to revoke whatever “smicha” he has

    Chiefshmerel;
    Joseph is correct. What is there really to discuss?

    #1546891

    adocs
    Participant

    While I don’t support or defend this lifestyle, why is this different than any other “kiruv” situation where many members of a shul are not religious? (This is assuming that the shul is run according to orthodox standards)

    #1546887

    yitzchokm
    Participant

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    #1546886

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Orthodox Rabbi Takes Job as Supreme Useful Idiot– Discuss

    #1546885

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    In Publicity Stunt, Orthodox Rabbi Takes Job at LGBT Synagogue – Discuss

    #1546883

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    Former Orthodox Rabbi Takes Job at LGBT Synagogue – Discuss

    #1547021

    Takes 2,
    Are they flaunting it ?Are they promoting it?Are they advertising themselves as a …synagogue?!
    How about a synagogue advertising for murderers ?Or worse?

    Judaism has Cardinal Precepts.Should we file religious Bankruptcy?!

    Adocs,

    In what whatsoever can this be comparable?!Kiruv is for those who were born frei who wish to improve[ no one is Actively sinning as LGBT as an infant]!

    And for 7 mitzovs Bnei Noach there is never any concect of Tinok She’nishba
    Makkos 6

    #1547122

    Avi K
    Participant

    It’s, the Gemara there says that when it comes to murder there is no such thing for Jews either. In contrast, see Chullin 15b מנהג אבותיהן בידיהן. I also heard that there is a difference between mishpatim and chukkim regarding לא יאמר אדם אי איפשי ללבוש שעטנז, אי אפשי לאכול בשר חזיר, אי איפשי לבוא על הערוה, אבל (יאמר) איפשי ומה אעשה ואבי שבשמים גזר עלי כך.(Siifra Kedoshim 10).

    #1547152

    1
    Participant

    It’s a problem. You can thank all the Jews who helped Obama and the demd gain a mandate which was set to destroy any good that was left In American culture which is based on Jewish ideas. In every generation there are going to be fake rabbis. You can’t worry about them.

    #1547154

    1
    Participant

    Uncle Ben the subway in 2018 is the LGBT station.

    #1547177

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known ganef or known tapist?

    #1547196

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    “It is time for truth” says:
    Rav Aharon Kotler, warned that the greatest threat facing Jewry is not intermarriage or assimilation, but perversion of the Torah,
    (Mishnas Reb Aharon 1:2,3:6).
    ————————————————–
    Based on this,Rav ahron is rolling around in his grave knowing that the shtut of lakewood is preverting his mesora.

    #1547541

    “Based on this,Rav ahron is rolling around in his grave knowing that the shtut of lakewood is preverting his mesora.”
    For those of lakewood who ARE aware and don’t care or even smirk, not only is He rolling over in his grave, but so is every righteous man since Adam

    Rambam Hilchos Teshuva 3:6-10

    And anyone who can effectively protest and does not will be responsible for the subsequent wrong that results. Shabbos 54a

    #1547686

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    “Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known ganef or known tapist?’

    Who said it was worse? Are you saying it’s any better?

    #1547694

    golfer
    Participant

    In Publicity Stunt, Orthodox Rabbi Takes Job at LGBT Synagogue

    Why would anyone want to discuss?
    Only fools pay attention to publicity stunts.
    At their peril, I might add.

    #1547695

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    I hadn’t heard of this before. He used to be an Aish campus Rabbi at Columbia, apparently. That’s scary for a couple of reasons:

    1. Either Aish is doing a terrible job of vetting for letting this guy in. He could have destroyed hundreds of kids, misleading them in what right and wrong are.
    2. Or, it could mean he was actually frum, and living around a liberal, college environment destroyed him. How often might this be happening?

    #1547714

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    he is a frum lakewood guy, it seems a close family member of his ‘Changed Identities” and that is what changed his views

    #1548045

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Exactly why he took this position I do not know. I am only guessing here

    Perhaps its better to keep a little contact with these people so they can do Tshuva than cut them off so they will never come back, Tough Love doesnt always work and many times its backfire.

    May these people do Tshuva for their averiahs

    #1548130

    adocs
    Participant

    Has anyone considered the possibility that he’ll try to get them to do tshuva?

    Even if he’s successful with a small percentage, wouldn’t that be an accomplishment?

    #1548505

    adocs,
    No .
    Firstly how come we giving him alibis?If so ,let him talk for himself
    Need we state the obvious?By taking the title he is a choteh U’macht for the whole region , just for giving legitimacy,
    Second,How abut taking a postion in a reconstructionist or reform temple to supposedly for tshuva ? In those cases at least no one is misled

    The chofetz Chaim,as is well known,stated that Amalek includes those of jewish extraction
    It is brought down [in two sources] that the egregious evil of Amalek that we are obligated to battle our final battle is Toi’evah

    And at this moment when we are in a war,and he chose to switch sides

    #1548383

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    golfer,

    Indeed. That’s why I don’t think we should be discussing him or his actions

    #1548533

    yitzchokm
    Participant

    a docs,
    1) His message calls for inclusion

    2) The colossal CH is probably worse than the potential kuriv

    #1548557

    Joseph
    Participant

    Aish is a very liberal place. Nothing like this guy but Aish has very liberal religious attitudes.

    #1548596

    Joseph
    that’s off topic.
    R’ Noach Weinberg is turning over in his grave.
    Yes, Aish has it’s problems, And in more than a few locales , are getting worse
    .

    ..Let’s now return to topic

    #1548606

    Neville ChaimBerlin
    Participant

    ITFT: He was replying to my comment.

    I’m assuming Joseph is going with the bad vetting theory on my post. There might be practices they have that I’m not so OK with either, but I don’t know that I would infer that they’re so left wing that it could lead to this. They aren’t like OU/RCA left wing, much less Avi Weiss left-wing.

    #1548615

    divri hayamim
    Participant

    “Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known ganef or known tapist?”

    do we have a ganavs “shul” or the rapists shul?

    #1548617

    divri hayamim
    Participant

    adocs

    he openly states his position, there is no mitzvah to dan a rasha likav zchus. in fact the opposite is true.

    he is there only to give them a haskama.

    rav ahron soloveichik paskened that Orthodox Yeshivas could not march in the Israeli Day Parade as long as this temple marched under the banner of a Gay “synagogue”. I can imagine how much he would scream against this evil!

    #1548634

    Joseph
    Participant

    It’s true that Aish isn’t as far left as the RCA, but they’re ideologically closer to the RCA than to the Agudah.

    #1548650

    yehudayona
    Participant

    What’s a tapist? Is that like Richard Nixon?

    #1548646

    Moskowitz also says that normative Orthodoxy gets Jewish law wrong when it comes to transgender identity. He says, for example, that the biblical ban on cross-dressing is actually a prohibition on misrepresenting one’s gender identity — no matter what it is — through clothing.

    “Transgender as an awareness is just a presence of understanding,” he says. “There’s no prohibition to acknowledge the reality of something when it comes to one’s identity. If a person says about themselves ‘this is who I am,’ it’s not a space of choice.”

    Whatever you say, Mike.

    #1548658

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I have never heard that AISH was leftist, however if you are going to do Kiruv, you have to know how to talk to people. Giving them a schmooze by Rav Avigdor Miller is probably going to backfire for most people

    #1548661

    Talmidchochom
    Participant

    He is a sick puppy

    #1548709

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    If he is indeed a sick puppy, it is extremely important to admit him to a veterinary hospital.

    #1549063

    refoelzeev
    Participant

    I previously read a headline that a Rabbi associated with Open Orthodoxy took this position. Now I see this thread claiming a frum Jew took this position. Which should I believe? Where does he really align himself?

    #1549081

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    “Why is it any worse then giving an aliya to a known molester and known ganef or known rapist?’. No one seems to be up in arms with that.

    #1549087

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Mike Moskowitz is not a YCT guy, He is a BMG Guy

    #1549096

    refoelzeev
    Participant

    According to David Rosenthal, who wrote the book why Open Orthodoxy is not Orthodox, writes:

    “Moskowitz is a former senior educator of Uri L’Tzedek, an “Orthodox social justice organization” founded and run by YCT graduates.”

    #1549101

    akuperma
    Participant

    Would a shul of thieves (or inside traders, or just plain old fashioned gonifs) be such a controversy? Just because a Yid is flunking at one mitsva does not exempt them from the rest. And frankly, would we want such persons, even if they are otherwise frum, in our shuls?

    #1549122

    Akuperma, Wrong.
    IT would depend if it was L’taavon or l’hacha’as.And when a group of sinners joins flaunting grievous sins that is categorically L’haachas..It would be much better if they go flunk the rest cf.Isaiah chap.1

    Zdad,
    therefore?! So he chose the devil,and wishes bring the rest of us !

    #1549124

    Takes2-2tango
    Participant

    akupermaParticipant
    Would a shul of thieves (or inside traders, or just plain old fashioned gonifs) be such a controversy? Just because a Yid is flunking at one mitsva does not exempt them from the rest. And frankly, would we want such persons, even if they are otherwise frum, in our shuls?
    ——————————–
    The fact is, known ganovim,rapist,and molesters are in shul and are given aliyos and treated as a regular congregant. But no one seems to bothered by that.

    #1549143

    Takes 2,
    Would any of them pass laws,wave banners , unabashedly promote their ‘lifestyles’,ask us to embrace them?Would you ?
    We were obligated to wipe out the 7 Nations of Cana’an because they were also “so tolerant”

    #1549153

    refoelzeev
    Participant

    @It is Time for Truth I don’t know why you think a congregation of those who identity as LGBT Orthodox Jews are living their lifestyle lehachis. It would leteiavon, and/or they rationalize why it’s not assur.

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