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ou deserve a line by line response. Firstly, I note that you repeat yourself , making the list longer. If I don’t accept your statement the first time, chances are that the next 1-2 times won’t help much. But the longer list sure makes your anti-Trump stand look stronger.
1, 14, 23 – lying. Not so sure, and it certainly doesn’t add up to lying about everything.
2, 3 – enriching. This cannot be documented anywhere. The left sells this message via its liars in the media. No evidence has ever been found. Trump himself has disconnected from his businesses, and this was monitored carefully prior to his taking office. Yet, his businesses continue to prosper, without current benefit to him. Same goes for his family.
4, 5, 6, 7 – ethical issues with those he hired. Once again, conjecture, and based on the belief that anything he does must be suspect. Most of his hires have undergone scrutiny by others, including Congressional approval.
8 – free press. You gotta admit, as even they do – the MSM has occupied often up to 80% of their broadcast time to trashing Trump, even ignoring major stories in the news. There is a HUGE amount of falsehood in the MSM. Trump just calls them on it, and NEVER took any action to restrict what these journalists do, even when they spread lies and misrepresentations about him.
9 – distrust of Congress. You are factually inaccurate. Trump did not challenge the hacking and meddling claims. He has denied having any role in that whatsoever, and there has yet to be evidence demonstrated that he did. There is evidence that Russia did not directly influence the election, though they tried. This was reported in your beloved MSM.
10 – destroying institutions of US. You’re kidding. There is demonstrated improper behavior of people at the helm of major government agencies. IRS, the Obama cabinet, the FBI, and the CIA. The evidence of all this has seen sunshine. The electoral system has its issues, and massive pockets of voting fraud have been exposed. Trump never destroyed or tried to destroy anything. There have been problems, still are, and Congress is aware of them, as is available to the public via the WWW.
11, 12 – pardons. You’re kidding. Please supply a quote and source for any such statements. The idea was floated by inquisitive people within the media. No one ever stated they would commit crimes with impunity. That accusation is vicious on your part. You know it’s untrue,but you flaunt it the same way the Fake News MSM does it. Have you no shame?
13 – staff who worked for other countries. You’re getting ridiculous. Every administration had staff that had prior connections to other countries. Such experience can be potentially valuable. Whether this experience becomes a conflict of interest is an issue. Don’t suggest that Obama and Hillary had no such conflicts of interest. They were jam packed loaded with these. Shall I cite Uranium One?
15 – racist and sexist. This is a proven fabrication. This gets repeated often enough by some of the stupidest people, including some Democratic politicians and some of the imbeciles of the MSM. Nothing has ever been documented. But it does sell well. Sorry, but it doesn’t wash.
16 – Muslim ban. Another documented red herring. The countries on the travel ban are all associated with terror. I agree that when we think of terror, the first image that comes to mind is a Muslim. That’s not a Trump fabrication. That’s the hard work of the terror groups, and gets the support of the libtards of the world. Do you want to offer the populations that commit, support, justify, and encourage terror, who have sworn to attack Israel and the United States free entry without proper vetting? If you do, I would sooner see you as an enemy of Israel and US than a friend.
17 – trade wars. Partially valid issue. I am not in the business world, and I do not have any deep understanding of world economics. I bet that trade wars are not good for anyone. But the current lopsided status, with American goods subject to tariffs without anything similar existing in the other direction just sounds unfair. If someone offers to negotiate with you and you refuse, can you blame him for taking a hard stand against you? You asked for it. More often than not, US has a good chance of winning the trade war, and the other countries are likely to back down and bargain in good faith. I understand Trump’s stand, as far as my limited grasp of economics permits.
18 – health care. I would agree. But who will pay for these pre-existing conditions? You, me? This is not the only problem with health care. The costs of health care are inflated greatly by the desperate need for tort reform, and no one with a background in law will tolerate this. I think only one state placed a cap on awards, and health care costs went down drastically. 49 to go. Would you support that, or do you just want to gripe about the push to eliminate the albatross called Obamacare?
19 – birthing. Do you really care at this point? There was so much shrouded history and documentation that the suspicion that something was being hidden is justified. The real problem with Obama was that he was an enemy of democracy, the Constitution, and he wanted desperately to push socialism and Islam down the throats of America. I might believe what I want about his legal status, but it is overshadowed by my disdain for him.
20 – insults. Good point. Anyone want to address Obama’s insults to Netanyahu? Trump is quite free with saying insulting and insensitive things. Most have learned to not take those comments seriously. As of yet, they are foolish and babyish, but harmless.
21 – revenge. Please explain. I can’t guess what you mean. In the business world, that’s how competition works.
22 – financially destroying. Are you for real? There are times when companies exert their market power in a manner that becomes destructive to the public. Amazon has huge discounts for delivering Amazon merchandise. It comes at a substantial deficit for the USPS, and contributes handsomely to the USPS running in the red. That system is bankrupting a government agency, and needs to be revamped. Trump is correct. I am a beneficiary of the current system, but it is unfair to all. It has nothing to do with political views. It is dollars and sense.
24 – aid to PR. Read the rest of the story. The systems in place to distribute monies effectively are failing. Just giving them a blank check will not work. There is structure needed so that the people of PR benefit, and the current work is about creating that.
25 – police violence. I won’t debate the cause, though I solemnly disagree with the premise. But even so, there are ways to deal with it. The anthem kneeling thing is nothing but a disgrace. It accomplishes nothing. It creates a narrative that is false, and justifies the pattern of protest and violence that has characterized the left. Trump loves America, and is sincerely trying to make it great again. The left doesn’t want that, and opposes everything just because it comes from Trump. That’s shameful. What, pray tell, does the left propose to make America great again? Anything?
26 – unpatriotic opposition. Another myth promoted by the MSM, the anti-American politicians, and the left. I ask you to please document this suggestion of yours.
27 – stroking his ego. You’re getting stupid. He has an ego, strokes it all the time, especially in his persistent tweeting. The money spent on the parade was supposed to go for another event, which he cancelled and diverted to this. He ended up saving a ton of money.
You have the burden of proof.

A line by line response.
1) “You have the burden of proof.”. I wish you would hold the President to the same standard as you do me.
2) 1, 14, 23 – lying. Not so sure, and it certainly doesn’t add up to lying about everything.
You aren’t so sure ? I brought 2 examples. (BTW ‘Everything’ was explained as being from insignificant to very serious. It did not mean everything.) Here is a lie from this morning. Donald Trump has tweeted an unsubstantiated claim from an hardline Iranian cleric and circulated by a news agency linked to the country’s Revolutionary Guard, that thousands of Iranians were granted US citizenship as part of the 2015 nuclear deal.
In his 8am tweet, the US president said: “Just out that the Obama administration granted citizenship, during the terrible Iran Deal negotiation, to 2,500 Iranians, including to [sic] government officials. How big (and bad) is that?”
He cited no evidence for the allegation.
The Iranian American population is about a million strong, and the number of Iranians naturalised in the US dipped slightly between 2015 and 2016, from 10,344 to 9,507.
The claim of 2,500 Iranians being made US citizens as part of the nuclear deal was first made in a newspaper interview on 26 June with Mojtaba Zonnour, a member of parliament from Iran’s Shia religious centre at Qom. He is an outspoken critic of President Hassan Rouhani and the nuclear agreement, by which Iran curbed its nuclear programme in return for sanctions relief.

3) “Firstly, I note that you repeat yourself”. I agree that a repeated claim does not strengthen an argument. Please hold the President to the same standard.
4) “enriching. This cannot be documented anywhere. “ I guess you also want to see his tax returns for proof . In truth, it is simple. He has not sold his share in his businesses or put them in a blind trust. All of the Trump businesses prosperity goes directly to his pocket. That means from Mar A Lago here he spends many weekends to the Trump Hotel in Washington DC where many foreign dignitaries stay . The naiveté that it takes to trust someone who has been enriching himself his whole life and will continue after he leaves office to completely disconnect from his businesses that he spent his whole life building is astounding and I don’t buy it.
5) 4, 5, 6, 7 – “ethical issues with those he hired. Once again, conjecture.” Do the names Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort mean anything to you? Does an indictment still mean it’s conjecture? Check into Scott Pruitt and his behavior . Does a lobbyist for private schools show the necessary background to head the Department of Education ? Does being Trump’s doctor give you the skills to head the VA ?
6) “11, 12 – pardons. You’re kidding.” Absolutely not. Rudy Guliani is an official Trump spokesman and a lawyer said . I quote: Asked whether Trump has the power to give himself a pardon, Giuliani said, “He’s not, but he probably does.” Giuliani added that Trump “has no intention of pardoning himself,” but that the U.S. Constitution, which gives a president the authority to issue pardons, “doesn’t say he can’t.”Speaking on ABC’s “This Week” program, Giuliani added, “It would be an open question. I think it would probably get answered by, gosh, that’s what the Constitution says.”

I will finish this list later and I have proofs for everything I said.