“But I remember a story regarding Herzl and one gadol said ym”s and the other one said you don’t say it for a yid”
And on the other hand, I know some who did say YMS on Hertzel, so it is no comparison when speaking of two diff Gadolim each had a diff cutoff line, who and what they would use that term.
Unlike other Zionists, Hertzel did not even care about Israel he was fine with Uganda..
Rav Baruch Ber of Kamitetz refrained from even mentioning him by his name.