Now to correct the facts:
“Forcing people to take compensation or move is not practical or moral solution.”
The plan avik mentions and I endorsed does not involve forcing people. You can read it again. Many many Arabs have moved out on their own without compensation to other countries. The plan involved OFFERING them financial compensation to move which many would likely accept. The only ones forced to move would be those who are disloyal just like any other country. There is nothing immoral about evicting people who would gladly lynch you given the chance.
” Besides where would they even move to?”
Any choice of the numerous Arab countries starting from Jordan which is anyway Palestinian, the Muslim loving Sweden, Europe…
“They were living in what is now Israel for hundreds of years.”
That is false. If you look up history you will see that there were very few people living there and it was mainly in ruins. The vast majority of Arabs only arrived once the Zionists began cultivating the desert land and there was therefore more business opportunity.
And anyway, regardless, no one would be forcing loyal Arab Israelis out. the Arabs who would agree to remain and be loyal to the Jewish state (no terrorism etc) would get citizenship. No other country harbours traitors whose elected representatives call for destroying the country.
“If you gave the Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank
full Israeli citizenship Israel would not be a Jewish state
within a year. All the Laws that make it Jewish would be voted out.”
False. We demographically outnumber the Arabs so for sure not within the year, our birthrate is higher, and as for the concern for the future, the main concern is harbouring a large disloyal, bent on terrorism minority, which wouldn’t happen according to the plan. The Arab growth has anyway been slow (the PA inflates statistics) due to many Arabs moving out, without incentive, to live a better life elsewhere.
The other concern would be that the birthrate may change and it could eventually be a demographic issue. But with the financial incentive to leave,and the removal of traitors, there wouldn’t be so many as to pose the threat.
“Again if you want Israel to be a Jewish state you either need to have an apartheid state where the Palestinians have no voting rights etc, kill all the Palestinians, or give them
a state.”
Nope. Although better an apartheid state (as every Arab country is to its Non Muslims, and apartheid is the wrong word, the Druze have no issues because they’re loyal to the country, its not due to racism as denoted by apartheid, its due to security concerns.
No one said kill all the Palestinians although with the current situation more Arabs area being killed due to their violent riots, stabbing attempts, rock throwing etc so if you’re really worried about that, you’d be loudly advocating for a feasible plan to change that.
Or give them a state- well yes they had that option in 47. If that’s all they wanted there would be no trouble. They don’t want another state. They want that we should not be independent, no matter the borders. Ie. No Israel. They also have a state we have them in gaza, a terror state bent on our destruction. We definitely have no reason to give them another state to level more missiles at us.
“Maybe this is why some of the Gedolim were against the idea of a Jewish state. It’s a real problem.”
The gedolim were against it was because of halachic problems. But once it was established the Rebbe for example spoke many hours about the importance of not even talking about giving away Eretz Hakodesh as it endangers Jewish lives. There were some who thought otherwise but after the gaza experiment I don’t think there is any major Torah authority today that advocates giving the murderous Arabs more of our land. (No neturei karta doesn’t count.)
That’s why I was surprised to see your posts which are a page out of the lying Arabs/ anti semites ways of talking.
One last thing there are no millions of Arab refugees. Refugees are people displaced by war. Not their children, grandchildren and great grandchildren who have been living in other countries. Unrwa lists them as refugees to keep the demographic threat going. Nowhere else would these people be counted as refugees just as the Jews children etc expelled from Arab countries aren’t counted as refugees. The ones who suffer from this lie the most are the Arabs who are detained in the PA, gaza, Jordan, and syria by their fellow Arab brothers in refugee camps, and are not allowed to lead normal lives, just to keep this hatred and threat going.