Philosopher,
The fact that you can’t argue your points if you can’t resort to personal insults says more about the strength of your arguments then I ever could.
Avik,
You said that international law allows for the annexation of land in a defensive war. Even if this is the case the problem is that Israel did not annex the land and make the people citizens because doing so would end Israel as a Jewish state. That’s what we have been discussing.
Winniethepooh,
1.) I know very well that all those countries attacked in 1967. Since then they have not. I don’t think the reason they have not attacked and in the case of Jordan and Egypt made “peace” with Israel is because they are fighting through proxies, or actually like Israel. I think it’s because Israel showed them that it’s not worth it to fight them. Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia would like nothing more then send in bombers and or missiles and try to level Tel Aviv, they won’t because they know if they did they would be obliterated. That’s the way it should be. Contrary to what many seem to believe Arabs like being alive as much as anyone. Their leaders show no inclination to suicide.
2.) The situation right now is one where their leaders really can’t build a vibrant economy. They aren’t recognized as an independent state and can’t even trade internationally without Israel’s permission. Let alone establish relationships with other countries or do any of the other things that are essential for a country to function. I’m not saying their leadership is good. They have terrible leaders, but Israel is putting itself in a position where they are literally handing the Palistinian leadership an “out” and someone to have a legitimate grievance against, and to blame.
3.) My point with the Arabs being upset about Jews emigrating to the land is just that until they felt that they were going to be ruled over by them the Arabs in the land didn’t really have a problem with their Jewish neighbors. In fact they had way less of a problem with them then the European christians did. This should tell that it’s not that Arabs just hate Jews more then anyone else.
I actually think that one democratic state for both people Palistinian and Jewish would solve this whole issue. But then there would no longer be a Jewish state in the Middle East and that would be a shame. Its worth it to have a Jewish state. However the current status quo is not sustainable, and I think it gives the Palistinians a legitimate grievance (again NOT A JUSTIFICATION TO HURT A SINGLE INNOCENT ISRAELI)
Relying on Hashem to bail out the state, especially when it was created against the opinion of the vast majority of religious Jewish leaders of the time doesn’t seem quite right either.