Reply To: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us!

Rso

“You said we have to demand Mashiach. As far as I understand the Lubavicher rebbe said you have to demand Mashiach. Although I don’t believe in that at all, I didn’t dispute that – at least not since this latest round started on November . ”

Right. You did before that. Which is what I was responding to when I restated the question. I suppose I could just stop here, as it seems you have retracted your objection… But because I took awhile, I will finish off…

“But I DID dispute your claim that the sources you quoted (the first of which was lama nigara) were demands and I demonstrated how none of them were. (The only exception being the fifth source, quoted later in the discussion, that the Chofetz Chaim did write that we should demand Mashiach, and I was the one who presented the source!)”

The one I said was a demand was Lama nigara. It is a demand to have the right to bring the korban pesach. Again, Lama nigara doesn’t mean, ” Is it possible for us to bring the korban too somehow?” It means, “Why should we miss out?!” Which is a demand for the opportunity to bring the korban Pesach.

As far as it being addressed to MOshe- it doesn’t matter- by the harsh punishment of Korach, it was made abundantly clear, and as Moshe and Aharon said themselves “Lo aleichem tlunoseichem, ki im al Hashem.”

The only difference was that by Korach it was an inappropriate challenge, whereas Pesach sheni was a welcome challenge, as it showed the Yidden’s affinity for the mitzvos.

Now, in the follow up, there were objections brought to any kind of strong language when requesting things from Hashem. Hence, I brought the other sources which were all strong language and not a meek request.
Micheini na- an implied threat, or at least a “stomping of the feet” if you will, if Hashem doesn’t forgive the Yidden, not a meek request.

etc.

and I wrote by those demand OR strong request for that reason…

“Now, I can’t make it any clearer than this (and if you still don’t get it, then you really shouldn’t be posting to a forum which requires a little basic clear-thinking): DO YOU ADMIT THAT THOSE FOUR SOURCES YOU QUOTED ARE NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, DEMANDS? Yes or No, PLEEEEEAAAAAASE!”

Yes not all 4 are demands (I only said the first one was and I still see it as such.). Happy now? But the question had been lost. And your original question I was answering you retracted upon seeing the chofetz chaim. So we’re good now on that one. Yeah?