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“Too much of what he said and did was warped, and nearly 100% of the problems with lubavich – e.g. worst tznius in the chassidic world, most open use of internet, most interaction between genders – can only be attributed to his views, his lack of foresight, and his obsessing over concepts that should not be the primary concerns of bochurim and avreichim in the Torah world.”

OK here I would say is where you are out of line. The Rebbe had different shitas than the rest of the chassidishe world but it was not sure to lack of foresight etc cvs, just a unique worldview based on Chassidus Chabad.

I can take one example: your first one. “Worst tznius in Chassidic world.”

No. Just a different standard. The Rebbe asked us to dress like beis Yaakov. And I would say that the chassidishe women do dress that way. As for others who may not be so frum, ok, you unfortunately find that in every circle. In chasidish circles it is less common to see it in dress, because of the drastic consequences of leaving the community, but it doesn’t solve the issue. It just means more people hide it and live double lives.

In fact I could definitely argue that because the chassidishe communities have taken tznius to an unprecedented extreme (which I respect as their Daas Torah due to the shocking immodesty prevalent today), they, as an unfortunate side outcome, have much worse tznius issues than we have. But I think I’ll leave it at that unless you want me to hint further.

“All the same arguments you use to prove that I have to hold of your rebbe could be used by your friends the Litvaks to prove that you have to hold of ALL their gedolim (I especially didn’t mention the name of the person you are allergic to). But they don’t work if you don’t believe in them.”

Again im just answering questions YOU posed to me, I didn’t start a thread entitled who is gadol hador, and I didn’t even comment on the existing one. That said, I do respect the litvishe world as authentic Yiddishkeit, as well as chassidishe yidden, MO, dati leumi etc. Even if we may differ hashkafa wise. See? I just disagreed with your approach to tznius but I can respect that you are still doing the right thing because that’s what your Rebbe holds.