@username- Your taynos are not relevant at all to this conversation. (Besides the fact that the answers are simple) My questions about lubavitch are on ikrei emunah, not laxities in practice. Shaving and proclaiming a mortal man to be running the world aren’t exactly questions on the same footing. At best, you honestly have questions, as irrelevant as they may be, posed to discredit the other side of the argument, and attempting to win a debate with character assassination, which doesn’t work anyway. At worst, you’re purposely diverting or attempting to hijack the conversation, because you don’t have answers, but if you can make us look bad, you don’t have to answer either way.
As an answer to this:
“IS A SIGN OF WHAT THE MOVEMENT BELIEVES IN.
My point is that there’s no real “movement”. I’ll give you a Mashal. Take Breslov. There are Na Nachs and there are Yerushalmim. Is it a Yerushalmi Breslover’s fault that Na Nachs exist?
(WE ALREADY SAID THAT WERE LEAVING LITVAKS OUT OF THIS)
You see, I’ll understand if a guy from Meah Shearim, who is in Kollel learning all day and keeping all the Chumros feels that by becoming Lubavitch he’ll go down in Ruchniyus. I’ll argue with him over it, but I’ll understand.
What I don’t understand is when people who keep less than we do complain how “Lubavitch isn’t frum!!!!” Yes, we may not be as sheltered, and Tznius happens to be an issue. But 95% of the people complaining about us aren’t Chassidishers. There are tons of people, who are more Maikil than Lubavitch in pretty much everything except for Zman Tefilla and possible Tznius (it depends against which Lubavitchers your comparing to).”
It’s important for you to understand for full disclosure, that the world at large (certainly the litvishe posters here) do/does not regard you as another chassidus, one that happens to have drastically different hanhagos than other chassidusin and happens to missionize other jews to join their sect. Would that be the case, the whole “anti-lubavitch” movement would never have started. That’s why your argument above will never be taken seriously. It’s not like another chassidus that may be meikil in some areas and more machmir in others, (or have wacky nanachs that we think are out of their minds) prompting a discussion as to whether we’d be frummer if we were like you or not. Frumkeit is not the nature of this discussion.
We have serious questions, and more accurately, very valid suspicions, about some practices/shittos your chassidus holds, that no other chassidusin subscribe to. These concerns include basics in emunah and hashkafa. There is some sort of sinister agenda, chassidus-wide, to try and “educate” frum, often frummer, yidden about alternate systems of belief. Our gedolim have come out in great force against lubavitch, and honestly, other lubavitch posters throughout the course of this thread have only served to shore up and strengthen those suspicions. They have proved proficient at either outright lying to avoid a question, or doublethinking/doublespeaking, and misleading posters as to the true nature of their shittos to make their view more appealing to the uneducated. So please, answer the very serious questions, without obscuring the conversation with stupid taynos on litvaks, or step aside and let someone else (profess to) do so.