Chossid: “Every tayneh you have against the shita of chabad and the Rebbe, and you make according to that a maskona, is worth nothing, until you have a godol or Rebbe that says that maskona, only then we can have a conversation who is right, but until then it’s worthless.”
I understand your point of view, honestly, but you have to understand why I disagree with you. As I don’t consider the lubavicher rebbe a gadol beYisroel, and, as I have written, I see him as someone who had a lot of “talent” but who allowed himself to “stray” from the straight and narrow, I certainly feel that I can argue with what he says. I understand that you see it differently.
I don’t, as you claim, hold that ALL gedolim hold like I do, but I do hold that many of them do, and in that we can include virtually all the litvishe velt.
“If it’s just ahavas Yisrael then why don’t the litvish or chassidish do the same?”
Because we/they think that it is a dangerous derech and the first thing the RBS”O wants is for us to protect our own from foreign influences. I believe you would agree that it is worse for a person raised in a frum home to be mechalel Shabbos c”v than it is for someone raised in a non-frum home. Both are not good but the former is a lot worse. Therefore, making sure our kids and talmidim aren’t exposed to danger and have a high level of kedushah is our number one priority. And the proof that your derech is very dangerous is what I have been writing about all the time: lack of tznius, and worse, in lubavich.
“there are many of talented Lubavitchers that can run big businesses and be rabbonim, melamdim…. But they decided for some reason that they are going to leave their comfort zone, and go to a hole in middle of the world and build up a community from scratch”
Yes, that’s true. But as I explained in my original post and in my reply to a question about kollel yungeleit, social pressure and the feeling of being an achiever in one’s own circle is always a factor. It’s what keeps many/most people in kollel when they could be running a successful business. It’s what keeps many/most bochurim in yeshivos when they could be out studying in college. And it’s what keeps many lubavichers in chabad houses.
I don’t consider that focusing on the negative, as it’s not negative because that’s the way Hashem made the world. The seforim say – I think it may also be a midrash – that if not for jealousy people wouldn’t marry, raise families or build houses. All of which are what Hashem wants in HIs world.
“after a shliach comes down somewhere and buids up a community with programs and Bal habatim, then in middle of nowhere someone comes down and takes all he’s Bal habatim, it only makes sense to be upset”
Of course it does. But if the whole raison d’etre of the first person was ahavas Yisroel it wouldn’t upset him. It’s natural but don’t put a lesheim Shamayim spin on it.
“They are not doing the same other shluchim, they are going to against the Rebbe ( most of them) they don’t listen to the system the Rebbe made and the people the Rebbe appointed, therefore they don’t deserve to be shluchim and most of them are mishichistim”
I’m an outsider (had you guessed that?) but to me it seems they are dong the same things the other shlichim are doing, and just as successfully. You claim that the don’t follow the system the way your rebbe wanted, but they claim they do. That’s the problem with your group’s lack of leadership, which I have already mentioned a few times.
And probably more than half of lubavich today are meshichistim. I don’t like it. You don’t like it. But you can’t just write it off as non-lubavich. CS claims to be a shlichah and she is a meshichist. Is she therefore not doing the rebbe’s work?
Regarding tznius, which you acknowledge as a problem, you write “Now if people don’t act accordingly to Torah or a certain hashkofa it’s doesn’t affect the kedusha of Torah or a hashkofa”
That’s true when I don’t act properly, and, it seems, when you don’t act properly, because we know that we are wrong. But the VAST majority of lubavichers, both BTs and FFBs, make fun of the basic levels of tznius as practiced by others. I know this for a fact because I and my chaveirim are often the butt of sick jokes to that effect. Every time we go to a family simchah made by the lubavich part of our family, I hear afterwards from my wife and kids how someone has made fun of the way they act. One example: “Come and say mazeltov to my wife/husband. What’s wrong with that? They’re happily married and they’re not going to be interested in you.” This happens, and it ONLY happens at lubavicher simchos.
“And for your reason rso that there is [I assume you left the word “no” out by mistake] arvus with goyim, I think you shouldn’t go for that reason to any non Jewish store.”
There is clearly no arvus by goyim, but I don’t see the connection with the rest of your statement. Nonetheless, you are right. One shouldn’t go to any non Jewish store and deal with the owners… unless one has to. In the same vein one shouldn’t go down the street unless one has to. However, you have written that you believe that the mivtza of 7 mitzvos is only intended for someone who already has a connection with goyim, and if that’s true than that’s fair enough. It doesn’t make me or anyone other non-lubavicher I know think that the whole campaign is still a meshigass. (Btw I still understand the gemoro my way.)
One final word in this overly long post. I see that you are a rational person who is trying hard and fairly to defend what you believe is the correct path. But you have to realize that way way way over 50% of chareidim think that your path is far off the beaten track, and you’re going to have to accept that. So to you specifically I will apologize for my tone, but not for my content.