Reply To: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us!

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“Ahh, but אחר used to be עלישה בן אבוי׳ who we quote in פרקי אבות and went off the derech because he couldn’t keep the level he was on (פרגוד) and he taught ר מאיר before he went off”

Yes so what? Once he became a kofer and was acknowledged as such by everyone including himself, he was no longer a Rebbe, thus the halacha didn’t apply.

“Everyone (I think) believes the rebbe was normal just the question is “did he go off”

Na one of the main issues here is the understanding of the concept of Rebbe and the “Atzmus umehus” quote which the Rebbe said BEFORE he became Rebbe. Others have an issue with Nossi hador, also a very early theme. Moshiach was a constant theme starting from his very first maamar and only became increasingly emphasised as time went on and the Rebbes plan developed. So that doesn’t really hold water. Regardless, there were gedolim who fought the Rebbe tooth and nail for years (the main one mentioned also fought with many other gedolim and himself admitted that he will be known as a Baal machlokes just he meant it lshem shomayim) and there were many gedolim who greatly supported and thought highly of the Rebbe through the Rebbe’s whole life.