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Again, this is just like when one of the Chabad posters brought up other Chassidishe groups with similar hanhagos. If you want to make a thread questioning why the minhag haGra people are OK with being mevatel old minhagim in several areas, you are free to do that. But, that is not this thread; this thread is about Chabad. The fact that it’s possible to have kashas on other groups doesn’t answer anyone’s questions on Chabad. It’s just a diversion.

I think you missed my point. Let’s try again:

1. You heard of this Alter Rebbe? He’s the person who willy-nilly- changed the Nusach Hatefillah and changed Minhagei Shechita.
2. The Baal Shem Tov? You mean that person who got people to daven late and ignore Gemara and Halacha?

You get what I’m trying to say?

On a side note, this was probably just an accident, but from the way you worded it, it sounded like you were saying there was a minhag to duchan daily and the Gra got rid of it. It’s the other way around; minhag Ashkenaz is to only duchan on yom tov, minhag haGra is to do so daily.

Yes, that’s what I meant.

Although I think it’s just a pointless diversion to bring minhag haGra into this anyway, I do think it’s worth mentioning that it’s not all that comparable. The Gra’s changes, like not wrapping tefillin on chol hamoed, had precedents at least in the Sphardi mesora.

You had a much better answer than that – the minhag that we don’t Duchen daily is from the Rishonim (it’s from the late Rishonim If I remember correctly, but Rishonim nonetheless). And Rishonim have the right to institute things against the Gemara which Achronim can’t. And the Gra was trying to bring the Minhag back in line with the simple reading of the Gemara.

But that wasn’t my point here.

The questionable Chabad practices being discussed had no basis in anything prior whatsoever. Chabad seems to have developed this unique view on mesoras like, “well every minhag has to have been made up by some guy at some point.” You should understand that that isn’t how anyone else views it at all.

My diversion attack was on the Heicha Kedusha, not on Duchening :), and there is no early source that Bnei Yeshivas should daven a Heicha Kedusha for Mincha. And there definitely is no source for Reb Yaakov’s claim that there is no Takanah Derabannan of Chazaras Hashatz in Yeshivas. And you know what, he’s still a respected Rov.