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Chossid, no, I have never learned the sichah dealing with not sleeping in the sukkah, but I have had it explained to me numerous times by lubavichers, and they all came up with the same explanation – the same one that has been given here – that being able to fall asleep is considered mitztaer and exempts you from sleeping. As I have said over and over, and so many others on this forum have said the same thing, that is a ridiculous sevoro with no source or precedent other than your rebbe. So since we dispute the entire sevoro, we do not accept that it makes sense merely because your rebbe said it does.

You wrote in regards to Mashiach (I don’t understand why you mentioned the Ari z”l as he has nothing to do with it): “I think the same should be with you, especially before putting down someone or a community, and calling the names etc. you should learn the subject really well before hand. It’s basics of ahavas Yisrael, ahavas hatorah, ahavas Hashem.
Btw I could be wrong, maybe you did learn these subjects really well, but it surely doesn’t seem like it”

I have learnt repeatedly the Rambam that so many lubavichers quote as “proof” that your rebbe was/is Mashiach, and I have listened to it being intentionally mistranslated and misexplained many, many, many times. You go on the attack with me here but you still don’t give an iota of explanation as to how the Rambam’s criteria point anywhere near the lubavicher rebbe. I don’t mind you attacking me. In fact when you attack me and you avoid addressing the issues, as you have done in this post of yours, it just proves to me that you don’t have what to answer. But you’re not alone. No lubavicher does. It’s all boich sevoros built on air and baseless claims made by your rebbe.
And if you meant have I learned the sichos of the rebbe on the matter, then the answer is no. I haven’t and I don’t intend to, because whatever I have learnt or read in his name is a distortion or plain childish. (Surely you remember my reference earlier to the invented phrase of Beis Mashiach having the gematria of 770.) I’m not about to learn sichos said by someone with a self-serving agenda. (Sorry, but that’s the way I see it, and I’m not alone in this forum.)

You continued: “And also you keep on saying that no one outside of Lubavitche agrees with such and such.
First of all many do”

Now that is clearly a winning statement. Since I don’t know what you are referring to as “such and such” I can’t argue that your statement “many do” is incorrect. You win hands down!
But just in case let me name a number of points that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE in the chareidi world outside lubavich agrees with:
1. Your rebbe is Mashiach.
2. Your rebbe has the criteria cited in the Rambam that are required by Mashiach.
3. Because the gemoro that says “if he [Mashiach] is from the dead then it is Doniel” – which Rashi explains in two ways:, either, if Mashiach was someone who has already died then it was Doniel, or if Mashiach is to be compared to someone who has died the person to compare him to is Doniel – we can now claim that it is the lubavicher rebbe.
4. Being able to sleep in the sukkah can be consider mitztaer that exempts you from the sleeping in the sukkah.
5. There is a concept of Beis Mashiach (I’m not saying he won’t have a house, but the term is a very recent invention of your rebbe) and that its gematria is meaningful.
6. And (of course, you wouldn’t expect me to omit this one) the story with the sundial is true even though it makes no sense whatsoever.
Note: Aside from no. 6, I have heard every single one of the above being claimed repeatedly by too many lubavicher chassidim for anyone to tell me that these claims are not believed by more than a handful of people.

“second it doesn’t make a difference if they agree or not. Every community, every kries has their rabbonim and rebbis that they follow, and no one has a problem with it”

Have you been paying attention? How many times have I stated and repeated that I have nothing against different minhogim and hashkofos? What irks me and many others is the claim that lubavich minhogim and hashkofos are at the pinnacle of the Torah world, when so many of the justifications given for them are meaningless and at times outright lies.