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“If halacha allows but doesn’t require abortion (which I agree with Avram is a very rare case), ”
SO that isnt what Avram said was a very rare case . (though he may agree, he said ” extremely unlikely scenario where expert medical opinion would hold that an abortion is unnecessary whereas halacha holds that it is necessary”)
He is right about that, as I acknowledged, but sadly you are wrong.
Unless you define “very rare” differently
how often would you say is “very rare”
Avram
“If the law had a medical exemption, then it would still be the rabbi (for frum Jews) and doctor involved in the decision, no?”
so it depends on how that exemtion was written. If it was black and white ie Mothers life is at risk then halacha is Faaaaaar more “lenient” than halacha. I face this often when patients ask if they should fast yom kippur, I tell them if you want a heter you are better off talking to a Rav. Especially pregnant patients (though I’m not an OB ) for a healthy woman with a normal pregnancy there is (generally) no medical reason not to fast , worst case she goes into pre-term labor. no big deal. Yet halacha views that differently. It would be bad if there was a law passed all pregnant woman have to fast unless her life is at risk. Although h technically that is the halachic stance. , halacha and medicine define that differently. And since constitutionally the law cant reflect the Rabbi’s interpretation it would be a big probelm if it was striclty defined based on “medical risk”
This is even more true for abortion, where halacha considers psychological factors that arguably aren’t medical