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“Had the torA outright said use a thorn bush though, you don’t see the gemarahs saying, nah, that can’t be. It hurts to much”
Oh absolutely!
but the Torah DOESNT say stealing is worse than rape. YOU are.
And before you say that the Torah does say it based on the rule that worse punishment = worse aveira.
you acknowledge that the rule isnt absolute there are exceptions “I agreed there are exceptions. Provided there is a good basis for it.”
you just don’t think there is a “good basis” to say that rape is worse than stealing. You don’t view what we all think/see is not a good basis. You are looking for a Passuk to say that it is worse. You are unwilling (or unable) to think critically and say wait, obviously it is worse.
“A פסוק במשלי is about as good of a basis that I can ask for in my book”
I’m not sure what you are trying to show from Mishlei?
Absolutely! and it practically tells us that severity of an act is NOT determined based on onesh
“I was just looking to show that לשה”ר is basically worse than a homely bunch of sins”
So Lashon harah is worse than say chilul shabbos.
Of the 7 avieros listed (gaiva, lying, murder, thinking evil plans, running to do evil things , testifying falsely, and causing fuights עֵינַ֣יִם רָ֭מוֹת לְשׁ֣וֹן שָׁ֑קֶר וְ֝יָדַ֗יִם שֹׁפְכ֥וֹת דָּם־נָקִֽי׃ לֵ֗ב חֹ֭רֵשׁ מַחְשְׁב֣וֹת אָ֑וֶן רַגְלַ֥יִם מְ֝מַהֲר֗וֹת לָר֥וּץ לָֽרָעָה׃ יָפִ֣יחַ כְּ֭זָבִים עֵ֣ד שָׁ֑קֶר וּמְשַׁלֵּ֥חַ מְ֝דָנִ֗ים בֵּ֣ין אַחִֽים׃. SIX! dont have an onesh in the classic sense
Interestingly these are all bein adom lechaveiro which fits my paradigm nicely (that greater punishment = greater sin applies to bein adom lamakom)
I’m not sure how you deal with this growing list of exceptions.
Why doesnt the Gemara yoma (or other places the general rule is listed) ask this question?
“I quoted a gemarah
You stated that’s a prime example of warped thinking
To which I responded I sound to have the gemarahs warped, your call, logic”
I dont know what gemara you are reffering to. you dont have ANY proof on your side*. Granted, I dont have an explicit Gemara that says rape is worse than theft either . Our discussion is whether I need one.
your argument is that without a gemara/passuk we cant know things.
My argument is unless a Gemara/passuk etc says the oppsoite of what we see, we can (and must!) rely on our critical thinking
* as a reminder don’t get confused. Your argument is NOT that we always follow greater punishment, as you grant there are exceptions. nor is the argument if we generally follow greater punishment, because that was never in dispute
And if you dont mind just so I have this clear, If a single girl is being raped r”l . IT is wrong for her to let the assailant rob her instead since that would be lifnei iver causing him to do a worse aveira. correct?