Reply To: Can the severity of a sin be learned from the severity of the punishment?

Hold up of course its fallible. I’m not even sure were I implied otherwise.

By stating that because it’s simple and obvious to you, therefore it can’t be otherwise. That means you can’t be wrong. For if you can be wrong maybe you are wrong over here.

you see this is were I’m getting mixed messages. You say “And maybe just because it’s simple to you, ” But it isnt just me. It is everybody! Not everybody. It’s me and quite a few people who I’ve spoken to. Out of the box thinkers. People who actually think critically instead of just going with the flow.

Even you at times claim you agree “Nobody is claiming that rape is a good thing” So you also think it is bad. How do you know? Do you have a source? Yes. And I stated it and we discussed it.
A persons body is their possession much as their pen is their possession. So I have no right to utilize her body without her permission. If I do so it’s gezel.
My contention, spelled out many times I believe is only that the “second only to murder ” emotion associated with this crime, is not how the Torah views it.
More to the point, do you need a source? Yes yes yes. As soon as you want to convince someone else of anything you need either unassailable proof or an unimpeachable source.
Otherwise it’s just your opinion.
And being as my whole contention is that most Jews today have been affected by “western culture and morals “, showing me that most people feel the way you do is meaningless.
That is exactly what I am arguing on.