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ubiquitin
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“Multiple of one sin is worse than single of the same sin.”

Yes you said that and replied commanding the murder of 6 million is one sin. sacrificing five kids r”l to molech at once is one sin.
At nay rate even if you do take this approach that you are being forced to take. SO I guess stealing $1,000,000 is worse than 1 perutah. ?

“We don’t decide הלכה based on that.”

I’m not talking about deciding halacha.
Again back to the beginning. What started theis conversation was ““Most people I have asked this to seem to lean more to the western feelings on this topic and have a rough time accepting that the Torah doesn’t view it that way””

that if someone views rape as worse than theft that was keneged Hatorah. Becuase the punihsment isnt that way.
I have amply proved that this is not true. You even agreed that this isnt always true

“Kings can basically do what they want. Can’t learn out from them.”
Yes you keep saying that. but WHY? Why? did dovid declare him to death? Ive asked this over and over?
Are yiou saying he was a king and did what he wanted with no reason?

WHY did he say the thief was worthy of death? if all he did was stole, why death? Why ? why why?
I dont know how to ask this any clearer.
Yes Beis din obliviously wouldnt have killed him, that wasnt my point.

“I asked if a rabbi actually said my question /position is so odd base even in סדום they wouldn’t say it.
You responded by telling me the story of סדום
?????”

I responded directly ““Did a rabbi really say this???” more than one.” 2 Rabbonim said similar things ( more recent one said in sedom they wouldnt ask it, Rabbi Shurkin years ago said that that was a classic sedom question, and was EXACTLY their thought process)

BTW in case you feel that you are wasting your time here. you’ll be pleased to know I took your guidance to heart/. Yesterday someone was blocking my driveway. I was about to hit him, but was able to control myself and work on my midos and opted for the lesser aveira instead chopped of his legs Of course he doesnt think that this averia is less. but what does he know, he is tainted by western values..

at any rate I really would like to understand how you understand Dovid Hamelech. Yes he was a king, and since we arent it has No HALCAHIC bearing. But dovid said the person who stole the ani’s sheep deserved death. WHY? Was this arbitrary? Are yo usaying dovid felt the ALL theives deserve death?
WHY did dovid say he should get killed?