“Basically you are willfully misCharacterizing the conversation.”
Nope unles I misunderstood it
“It’s about (based on the op) the evils of the democrat party line.
Their position is all abortion is a woman’s right.”
that was not what I was replying to.
“When r Eliezer expresses support for their position, that’s what he is supporting.”
You’d have to ask him thats not what I understood (as evidenced by the sources I cited)
“Abortion for the sake of abortion means I want to have an abortion so I can say I had an abortion. Sort of like crossing it off a bucket list. ”
Again, so thats not really a thing. I know Rush Limbaugh says it but that doesnt happen . Thus I doubt thats what he meant. If he did then I was wrong, and I do not support that.
(Though I should note that is still probably the preferable stance for frum jews since we define “neccesity” differently than a government would
“Abortion for necessity in the context of this thread means that there is a rational for it
Even as I mentioned that I should fit into my prom dress”
who would you have define “necessity”
“(according to you, r Eliezer dropped in an oblique reference to halachik abortion in middle of a conversation about the democrats position on abortion and he did it in code so only you would understand the reference)”
No code he explicitly said “not abortion for the sake of abortion”
Again, abortion because someone is bored is not a thing.
“Right, Josefs question to a participant of a conversation of which I was part of.”
wow talk about oblique references . Neither your post nor the one you were replying to mentions abortion . If I missed the At bash code embedded in your weighing of Trump’s positive and negatives, that my bad . and I apologize.
“So explain the difference between killing
A fully healthy fetus a week before its due date
A newborn
A fifty year old person”
sure though I’m not sure why this ids diffcult for you, my position is easier to understand and backed up by classical sources
Rashi Sanhedrin 72 b says דכל זמן שלא יצא לאויר העולם לאו נפש הוא וניתן להורגו ולהציל את אמו אבל יצא ראשו אין נוגעים בו להורגו דהוה ליה כילוד
Before a baby is born (most of it or most of its head) its not a nefesh, after birth it is.
Before shabbos you can light a fire, after shabbos yo ucant ? Whats the difference between cookign this afternoon and tomorrow afternoon? Does 24 hours really matter? This is the same “question” that you are asking
Your position is harder to understand . Are you saying the definition of when life begins varies? if its , if its threatening the mother its not a nefesh until it emerges, but if it is not then its no different than a 50 year old person?
Again, just because it is not a nefesh, doesnt mean it can be aborted to fit in a prom dress. You cant amputate a leg to fit in a prom dress either nor to “cross it off a bucket list. ”