“I would expect the one who used the word in a conversation to make sure it’s clear from the context what he is calling necessity at the moment he uses the word”
I dont know what you mean.
You grant (I think?) that there are rare times where abortion is allowed. (correct me if I’m wrong). ie you allow for abortion out of “necessity”
So I ask: who would you have define “necessity” ?
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“That outlawing abortions won’t stop people from getting them since most people are not just doing an abortion for the sake of it”
Where did he say that.
I’m not sure what that means .
“So therefore according to r Eliezer there is no point to outlawing abortions because since most abortions take place for a reason, they will happen even if it’s illegal.”
Exactly! so your line about “crossing off a bucket list” is nonsense. (and another example of you throwing in irrelevent points to muddle the conversation) and RE is only talking about abortions for a reason. Right?
Exactly as I said.
So the question is Does the torah allow abortion for a reason?
answer: Yes!
again, of course this isnt a blatant green light it depends on the reason.
to use our excellent analogy:
does the Torah allow amputations for a reason?
answer Yes!
Again of course this sint a blatant green light t depends on the reason.
“Still not sure how you read that he is supporting only halachik sanctioned ones.”
I didnt, and I never said that.
I dont get how you read that he is supporting abortions to cross it off a bucket list.
(Of course NOW you seem to grant that that wasnt what he was saying )
“So can I just make an abortion for no reason? Consensual?”
no absolutely not as I explicity said in THAT same post “Again, just because it is not a nefesh, doesnt mean it can be aborted to fit in a prom dress….”
“Or perhaps just maybe it means,…”
I dont know what it means. I know what it says. you asked why killing a fetus is ever allowed but not a child . you (pretended?) you couldnt figure out the distinction. so Rashi tells you once out of the womb its its own person. Until then it isnt.
“One does not need to comment on every line of a conversation to be considered part of the entire conversation”
Oh absolutely not! and more than happy to have you on board. but as you now concede RE was NOT talking about abortions done on a whim (if there is even such a thing) so AT NO POINT was that the topic of conversation . AS you now concede “So therefore according to r Eliezer … most abortions take place for a reason,”
to which Joseph asked how can you support abortion (again, when done for a reason)
to which I replied, that is the Torah view it allows abortion done for a reason (not any reason obviously)
to which you asked sources?
to which I provided sources .
( then we got distracted when you claimed that we were talking baout abortion done for no reason, which was never the topic., but now we are back on track)
to sum up:
Halacha allows for abortion in certain extenuating circumstances.
what these are need to be decided by a competent halachic authority, on a case by case basis.
Can you get behind those last two lines ?