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“And it certainly wasn’t Josefs understanding of r Eliezer when he made his remark”
I think got where you got lost!
Ive had this conversation with Josef lots of times before .
He believes abortion should be illegal unless the mother’s life absolutely depends on it He has a very strict definition of “life at risk” that is in line with the conservative approach, but not lehavdil halachas’s He doesnt believe in “psychological harm” that poskim often take into account. He also doesn’t believe that there are actually frum people with these questions (Joseph please correct me If I’m wrong about your position).
Thus he supports the “pro-life” camp. And was surprised that anybody could “support abortion being legal.”
To which I replied that the Torah supports abortion being legal (in limited circumstances, but not as limited as Joseph believes)
You asked for sources.
I provided them.
note: the sources I provided are NOT cases where the “pro-life” conservative movement would approve of abortion. (Eg Tzitz Eleizer on Tay sachs, Yaavetz for a mamzer)
So the question becomes should a woman who wants an abortion (with her Rav’s allowance) be able to get one.
I say yes – The Torah allows it (I consider the Tzitz eleiezer Torah, and a woman who follows her Rav’s pesak is acting properly. Eve though obviously others will get unsanctioned (halachicly) abortions. I say thats not our problem.
he says those cases never happen, it isnt clear that we hold like those poskim (R’ Moshe argues), and even if do are sufficiently rare that the number of unjustly aborted fetuses far outweigh that concern. (Again Joseph apologies if I’m misrepresenting your view) .
“By the way you know what the Torah does approve of? Death penalty.”
does it though? do you cal the government that kills more than once in 70 years a חובלנית ?