Ready now:
Here is a compilation of the many many times I have said the 2 not contradicting statements
A. If a doctor thinks a certain treatment will help. He should prescribe that treatment.
B. Just because one doctor claims success doesn’t mean all doctors must follow
(mods, to make your job easier these all or verabtim pulled from previosuly approved comments, spelling mistakes left alone just date added, (lots of free time at hospital bh))
April 6 “That said for a sick pateitn the benefit (possible survivial) outweighs the risk so might as well give it. For healthy patients, the vast majority, the benefit doesnt outweigh the risk. For more moderate patients is questionable, I’d err on the side of giving.”
April 6 As I said in my first post “That said for a sick patient the benefit (possible survivial) outweighs the risk so might as well give it.”
April 6 “Does HCQ help Pts with Covid19? Maybe some anecdotal reports say yes other say no. Lets study it. Whats the harm in giving it? So for some youre right there is no harm as IVe said several times ) “
April 7 “Again, I’m not saying not to give it in all cases. but his “data” proves exactly nothing.”
April 11 “At No point did I claim to know, let alone to “know for sure”, that Hydroxychloroquine wasnt helping.
In fact In my first post on this thread I explicitly said the opposite “For more moderate patients is questionable, I’d err on the side of giving.””
April 13 “Again and toeb crystal clear: He may be right (as Ive said in the first comment and about every other comment since then). but his data does not show that “
April 13 “Again to be clear: I am not saying he is wrong. I am not faulting him for not doing a proper RCT. I am solely answering the question, why just because he says he has success others aren’t convinced.”
April 13 “Dr Zelenko would agree. It is not proven, his argument is what the harm, and I;m not sure I disagree.”
April 13 “I’m not criticizing the doctor, I am not saying it shouldn’t be prescribed (both of which I’d understand why people would get riled up)
All I am saying is why although one person may have had success, it isnt so cut and dry”
April 14 “and thats fine. I’m not trying to dissuade you from following his advice. that is not the topic of this thread.”
April 17 “At any rate this is way of topic.
If you like the study (that was halted early) go ahead and give low dose HCQ.
I’m not interested in a discussion as to whether HCQ is efficaicous or not (since there isnt enough data)
The topic of this thread. Is solely why not everyone is following Dr. Zelenko’s reported success.”
April 19 “I’m still not clear on what your point is.
for the10th ? 20th? time I never said not to take, it nor that it doesnt help with or without zinc. That isnt the subject of this thread”
April 19 “And again, as Ive said from the onset Im not “against it” let alone “so against it” I’m just poitning out to the lack of data.”
April 21 “does this mean the benefit outweigh the risk? – Maybe “
April 23 “Neither his experience nor mine puts the issue to rest.
We need studies.”
April 24 “There is not enough data. period Dr Zelenko would probably agree. (though hed add what do we lose, which is a fair point as IVe said from the onset)”
April 30 “Again to remind you we are not discussing whterh HCQ works. We are not discussing whether it is reasonable to give it anyway and hope for the best. So if you are now saying “Ok it might not work, but what is thee to lose. ” Well I said that in my first post in this long repetitive thread”
May 8 “Again, just to be clear since although Imentioned this over a dozen times on variosu threads, it is a while since I have. I am not opposed to giving HCQ nor zinc nor both.”
May 12 “I am saying one thing and one thing only: Dr. Zelenko’s patients report does not prove that HCQ helps. That is all.”
May 14 ““So, okay to treat coronavirus, short-duration medication,” Was this in dispute?”
May 15 “From my very first post I made clear I am not opposed to giving HCQ here is the quote “For more moderate patients is questionable, I’d err on the side of giving.”
I then repeated this point approximatly a dozen times to make sure it wasnt getting lost.”
May 19 “And again, becasue you keep forgetting this point. This thread is not about whether HCQ works (yes with zinc ) nor whether it is ok for doctors who think it works to prescribe it (with zinc). Of course all doctors should prescribe medications they think work (with zinc) and as I said I prescribed it (with zinc)”
May 20 “Again, just because a medication has risks is not a reason not to use it “
May 24 ““if the life would hang in the balance with the threat of coronavirus. The risks have to be weighed”no question. I literally said this in my very first post way back on April 6. Go check its still there”
May 25 “Again, as a reminder what this thread is about (it has been running for 250 posts for almost 2 months so easy to lose track) The OP asked “Does anyone understand why doctors don’t want to give hydroxychloroquine even though it is working throughout the country”
I am not arguing to use it I am not arguing not to use it (I said this explicitly over a dozen times )”
May 27 “Reminder this thread isnt about whether HCQ helps (with zinc) Its whther everyone should prescribe it becasue Dr. Z said so.”
May 27 “Again to reiterate I am not disputing the study, and I am nto saying HCQ doesnt work.”
May 27 “I was never opposed to it, IVe given it before if patient wants it I’d prescribe it”
June 3 “note even if you think following one doctor’s anecdotal report is reasonable ( and I don’t disagree as I made clear over 2 months ago and dozens of times since) “