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emes nisht sheker
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david rosenbaum – what a long essay you published there. R’ Miller is not around to explain or expound on what he said, but since you quoted him I guess you can help explain this…

“They’re living married lives, and they are controlling themselves; otherwise there’d be mayhem, there’d be murder on all sides.”

So here are some statistics regarding murders in NYC from the FBI…

Ronald Reagan was President from 1981-1989 in that time, murders in NYC went from 2,228 in 1980 to 2,246 in 1989.

George HW Bush was president from 1989-1993 which during that time murders reached their high of 2,605 in 1990 and in 1993 was at 2,420.

Bill Clinton was president from 1993-2001 which saw in 2001 the murders decline to 960.

George W Bush was president from 2001-2009 which saw murders decline to 781.

Obama was 2009-2017, which saw murders reach their all time low of 550.

Interesting don’t you think, that under Regan and Bush Sr, murders did not decline. Even under Bush Jr. murders only declined 18%. On the other hand under Clinton they declined 60% and under Obama they declined 29%.

Like I said before, this debate is an embarrassment. If anything, the above would illustrate that liberal policies, at least at the national level, apparently result in less murder and mayhem an outcome that seems more aligned with the Torah then the relatively high level of murders that take place under Republicans.

If you prefer to get more specific with the data, the only President under which there was a substantial decline in the murder rate across the country was Bill Clinton. For the rest overall it remained pretty flat.