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AviraDeArah
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AAQ – where is there an obligation to set up a government in eretz yisroel? The shalosh shevuos and decree of galus preclude that. It’s for that reason that the sefer megilas ester on the sefer hamitzvos of the rambam holds that the rambam omitted yishuv eretz yisroel because it’s not possible nowadays due to the shevuos. Tosfos, rabeinu chananel and other rishonim hold that rhere is no mitzvah at all bezman galus. The ramban, who holds that there is a chiyuv to live in eretz yisroel, does not hold that we should make governments or go en masse, as he quotes the shavuos in his maamar al hageulah.

The rivash holds that the mitzvah of vehorashtem is to own land individually, so if jews owned land under American sovereignty, we would still be mekayam yishuv eretz yisroel according to that shitah.

Even if it would be a mitzvah, it would not permit us to endanger jewish lives, both because many hold it’s not a chiyuv, and because we have no sanhedrin or king to lead us in a battle against the goyim to take over the land – rebbe akiva thought this was being realized under bar kochva, but this was not to be so – all the more so under a rasha like ben gurion.

Also, it seems pretty clear that the removal of the colossal, non-stop chilul Hashem perpetrated by the very existence of a secular , state that calls itself Jewish, would be more important than the mitzvah of yishuv eretz yisroel even if we would say that it’s a complete chiyuv, and even if we would disregard the shevuos.

This situation isn’t like the jewish monarchy in eretz yisroel in the times of tanach where we would say that losing life is part of having a country – Zionists, both secular and religious, enjoy these phantasmagorical portrayals…netanyahu is the king and meir kahanah is the navi…they fancy themselves as the soldiers of yore, “holy” etc. The descriptions the religious zionist rabbis give them make heros out of mechalelei shabbos and occasionally murderers. The state of Israel, everyone would have to agree, will need to be overhauled so much when moshiach comes that it will resemble nothing of its current self…why then would it need to be preserved at all?

If they’re a Jewish army, where is the cohen meshuach milchama? Why are there women allowed to fight (and sin) with the men?

Re, toeva issues; it wouldn’t be any worse than it already is.. Actually, to assuage the Arabs it might even be better.

As far as Israel’s success, the fact that they depend on foreign aid runs contrary to that assessment, and it is likewise irrelevant if our concern is protecting Jewish lives and removing chilul Hashem.