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Avira, I’m not bothered by anything. I am pointing out that being that the whole basis of free will is derived from S’char V’Onesh, and that therefore is applies to anyone who is subject to S’char v’Onesh. If you expect Nazis to be burning in Gehenom you have to assume that they had a choice.

And so, I began by asking and you answered accordingly. My main objective was to build upon your answer.

And yes, Chazal do say הכל מן השמים חוץ מיראת שמים, and that would seem to imply that our will is completely free. It also says in Bava Basra (16a) that Iyov wanted to claim that our will is predetermined. However, Chazal aren’t really taking on directly the philosophical concept of free, undetermined will. It is the Rambam who solidified that.

As for הכל צפוי, even though the Rambam does utilize it that way, it isn’t the straightforward meaning. Others don’t take it that way.