“Also, are you saying that since this was regarding a personal relationship he shouldn’t have been removed from office for committing perjury? ”
Exactly.
The impeaching of Clinton was minimally about the laws of perjury. It was more about his moral character.
“Would you also say that if he shot Monica when he was done that he shouldn’t have been removed from office since it was part of a personal relationship?”
Is murder considered Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors ? It probably depends on the political climate. I am sure if Trump did it, the Republicans would have excuses not to impeach just like you excuse Trump’s impeachments in your next paragraph because of some Democratic statements made beforehand.
“Regarding the two recent impeachments- Democrats made a mockery of the process by saying that they were going to impeach him before he was even sworn in- they just needed the numbers and once they got that after the midterm elections they went for it.”
It is not the Democrat’s fault that Trump tried to overturn a lost election and bribe Zelensky to find dirt on his political rival. Those are treason and high crimes and he only has himself to blame.
2) I defend the Democrats forcefully in the CR. They have positions that a Frum Yid should agree with and the Republicans have some positions that a Frum Yid should reject.
If everyone in the CR respected that there can be different views, I would barely have what to say. I am defending the Democrats from the views of those who believe that they are completely Evil and that Republicans are completely Righteous, and that it is assur to vote Democrat.
“I haven’t read through all you posts but I don’t think you ever said that you strongly disagree with them trying to force society to recognize relationships that the Torah call an abomination or that you disagree with the notion that unborn babies should be killed at the whim of the mother but we should continue voting Democrat as it’s the lesser of two evils (because they give generous handouts).”
I said multiple times that we are not arguing about the Torah.
Do I have to write that I put on Tefillin every day and keep Shabbos? Since I didn’t write it, can you make an assumption that I don’t ?
I will say it now for you. I strongly disagree with anybody trying to force society to recognize relationships that the Torah call an abomination. I disagree with the notion that unborn babies should be killed at the whim of the mother.
Most Democrats can make the exact same statements. Most believe in Hashem and are religious.The head of the Democratic party currently is a very religious and church going man. There have been Jewish Orthodox politicians who ran on the Democratic party ticket.
The head of the Republican party currently is a very non-religious and non-church going man.
As far as I know, it is not the Democratic party platform to “force” society to “recognize” relationships that the Torah calls an abomination. Nor that babies “should” be killed at the “whim” of the mother. Furthermore, those 2 issues are not relevant in every election.
We should vote for the candidate that we feel is the best for our community. Fabric of society issues are one factor but there are many others. It is not black and white.
I will skip 3 and 5 for now because you make very good points and those are very long discussions regarding the positive and negative outcomes.
There are outspoken and politically active Liberals that are working to destroy the moral fabric of society. But the term Liberal is not synonymous with Democrat.
There are also a lot of Liberals who are not working to destroy the moral fabric of society. They just want to be left alone and not discriminated against.
The freedom to be a Frum Yid in America or to be completely non-religious and immoral in America are freedoms that are based on the constitution.
“The Roshei Hayeshiva, as far as I know, never said that it’s assur to vote Democrat”
Thanks.
“ they provide guidance on how a Frum Yid should vote in each election.”
Which Rosh Yeshiva provides guidance on how a Frum Yid should vote ? The only one who did this was HRH”G HaRav Avigdor Miller Zatsal.
The Moetzes and the Agudah have a long standing policy not to make such pronouncements.
“Do you mind if I ask if you consult a Rov before voting Democrat?” I assume that you do not live in NY City or in Lakewood and were not around for the last election. In NY , the republican had no chance and in Lakewood there was a fierce controversy.