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I find it sad the Mr Klein did a great job of answering the question and you are all doing the exact opposite. Arguing over “Eretz” or “Medinat.” Talking down on other Jews because they are “Zionists” or “Anti Zionists.” Calling each other out for misrepresenting the truth. Denying that The tragedies even have anything to do with us and our actions, but rather Hashems plan. These past 15 posts should be an eye opening example as to why we are suffering as a nation. We are living in 5782. Every Jew reading this has an obligation to go ask their Rabbi “How should I feel about the Zionist who does tremendous things for Am Yisrael?” “How should I feel about the ultra orthodox who rejects Medinat Yisrael?” “Should I love him as a fellow Jew even though we disagree? Or should I speak negatively about him and make sure everyone knows that he doesn’t represent the true Jew?” This right here in this thread is exactly the type of sinat hinam that the Rabbis talk about. WAKE UP. If you think that shambling Zionism or Anti Zionism is going to bring the geula you are forgetting the great principal of Ribi Akiva.