Reply To: No torah no jewish state

donald, those times required a beis din smuchim. The chashmonaim were such a beis din (we have lists of things, including, as it happens to be, boel aramis derech znus). One cannot declare horaas shaah on their own; the operative term here is “horaah” – ruling. One needs to be capable of ruling, which in our time, we do not have.