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They only rose up because of religious persecution; they weren’t supposed to make a government, and their reign ended bitterly because of it, says the ramban. That’s because only bnei dovid are supposed to be kings; yo yaser shevet meyehudah.

Actually, their downfall is a prime lesson against zionism. They enlisted the help of the romans, and were at the end, assimilated and hellenized – the very thing they were fighting against. No longer was the Torah the only thing that mattered; much like religious zionists, who believe in the value of things outside torah, like land, ownership, conquest, and how we look in the eyes of the goyim.