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Always_Ask_Questions,

“I agree, and I believe there are some initiatives that makes charedim serve in acceptable units.”

Acceptable to whom?

“that’s a cheap shot. Someone who serves in the army risks his life for the safety of others.”

Nah, don’t give me that shtick. AviraDeArah was not criticizing Israeli soldiers, and he’s American, not Israeli. If you can arbitrarily create “sides” in Am Yisroel, assign someone to a “side”, and declare it chutzpah for him to criticize something on the “other” side, then why can’t I?

“My skepticism regarding current social system is not that I don’t want people to learn, I want them to learn with all the chumros mentioned by Rambam and human decency.”

Chumros? Human decency? Your position does not originate from the Rambam. You have prejudices and seek justification for them from the Rambam. To paraphrase a big rav (can’t remember who): feel free to say my Torah in your name, but do not say your Torah in my name.

“I am all for father-in-laws and businessmen supporting learners”

No you’re not. I’ve been around the block with you on that topic before.

“or people learning in poverty without using funds that are not given to them for that purpose.”

What level of poverty would you like to see before you’re satisfied? It’s only you who declares the government funds dispersed are not for the purpose of supporting families, not the government itself.