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AviraDeArah
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No one’s dodging the question here besides those who aren’t answering ujm ‘s question about a club for people who are pedophiles, and my question about why our values change when goyim decide one thing is right, wrong, or whatever else.

The solution is obvious. Either have a group of rebbeim and therapists who are trained in dealing with these issues for students to turn to who will not tolerate their sinning saying that they’re anusim, etc…, Or you can have a club like the coffee room where there’s zero chance of meeting someone, it’s moderated to prevent messages which can be identifying. The trouble with this is that it still normalizes it to a degree.

My rosh yeshiva explains the relationship between a nazir and sotah as follows: the meforshim ask, why would a man who sees a woman being punished as a sotah have to become a nazir? He needs the least shmirah of anyone! He just saw with his own eyes, the meting out of divine punishment, a complete neis which ahows the results of sin.

My rosh yeshiva answered that some aveiros are ao beyond the pale, like niuf (and kal vechomer homosexuality) that a person lives a life without even realizing that people do this sin. When he sees her punishment, it is now seen by him no longer as an abstract thing that he learns about in Yeshiva, but that “people do this”….kind of like how amalek cooled off klal yisroel; even though they got burned, the other nations saw that it was possible to engage in war with yisroel.

With this in mind, seeing that there are people in yeshiva who sin with men would only make it harder in practice, no matter how validating and comfortable it would make the sufferer to know that there are others who are in his position..

But if the school made such an anonymous group, i wouldn’t say it’s the worst thing, especially for the fabric -on-the-head community whi watches movies and sees all sorts of toevos everyday anyway.